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Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by Dylan16807 »

dragontamer wrote: post #12
dubcanada wrote: post #6

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Early 2022 is only like 4-8 months away?

Aurora was supposed to be delivered in 2018: https://www.nextplatform.com/2018/07/27/end-of-the-line-for-... After it was delayed, Intel said that 2020 was when they'd be ready. Spoiler alert: they aren't: https://www.datacenterdynamics.com/en/news/doe-confirms-auro... We're now looking at 2022 as the new "deadline", but we know that Intel has enough clout to force a new deadline as necessary. They've already slipped…

Edit: Okay I had it slightly wrong, rewritten.

Aurora was originally slated to use Phi chips, which are an unrelated architecture to these GPUs. The delays there don't say much about problems actually getting this new architecture out. It's more that they were halfway through making a supercomputer and then started over.

I could probably pin the biggest share of the blame on 10nm problems, which are irrelevant to this architecture.

As far as this architecture goes, when they announced Aurora was switching, they announced 2021. That schedule, looking four years out for a new architecture, has only had one delay of an extra 6 months.

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by dathinab »

NonContro wrote: post #120
Exmoor wrote: post #11

As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…

How long will that situation last though, with Ethereum 2.0 around the corner and the next difficulty bomb scheduled for December? https://www.reddit.com/r/ethereum/comments/olla5w/eip_3554_o... Intel could be launching their cards into a GPU surplus... That's discrete GPUs though, presumably the major volumes are in laptop GPUs? Will Intel have a CPU+GPU combo product for laptops?

It's not "just" a shortage of GPU's but all kinds of components.

And it's also not "just" caused by miners.

But that means if they are really unlucky they could launch into a situation where there is a surplus of good second hand graphic cards and still shortages/price hikes on the GPU components they use...

Through as far as I can tell they are more targeting OEM's (any OEM instead of a selected few), and other large customers, so it might not matter too much for them for this release (but probably from the next one after one-ward it would).

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Post by RussianCow »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #118
hughrr wrote: post #73

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GPU stock is rising and prices falling. It’s too late now.

No, they aren't. They are trading at 250% of MSRP. See this data: https://stockx.com/nvidia-nvidia-geforce-rtx-3080-graphics-c...

Anecdotally, I've noticed prices falling on the lower end. My aging RX 580 was worth over $400 used at the beginning of the year; it now goes for ~$300. The 5700 XT was going for close to $1k used, and is more recently selling for $800-900.

With that said, I don't know if it's a sign of the shortage coming to an end; I think the release of the Ryzen 5700G with integrated graphics likely helped bridge the gap for people who wanted low-end graphics without paying the crazy markups.

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Post by trynumber9 »

rasz wrote: post #88
Exmoor wrote: post #11

As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…

You would think that. GamersNexus did try Intels finest, and it doesnt look pretty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSseaknEv9Q We Got an Intel GPU: Intel Iris Xe DG1 Video Card Review, Benchmarks, & Architecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW4U6n-r3_0 Intel GPU A Real Threat: Adobe Premiere, Handbrake, & Production Benchmarks on DG1 Iris Xe Its below GT1030 with a lot of issues.

For some comparison, that's a 30W 80EU part using 70GB/s memory. DG2 is supposed to be 512EU part with over 400GB/s memory. GPUs generally scale pretty well with EU count and memory bandwidth. Plus it has a different architecture which may be even more capable per EU.

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Post by onli »

pjmlp wrote: post #134
015a wrote: post #128

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The first wave of Steam Decks sold out in minutes. They're now pushing back delivery to Q2 2022. The demand for the device is pretty significant; not New Console large, but its definitely big enough to be visible in the Steam Hardware Survey upon release later this year, despite the vast size of Steam's overall playerbase. Two weeks ago, the Hardware Survey reported Linux breaching 1% for the first time ever [1], for…

It took 20 years to reach 1%, so... I believed in it back in the Loki golden days, nowadays I rather bet on macOS, Windows, mobile OSes and game consoles. It remains to be seen how the Steam fairs versus the Steam Machines of yore.

Don't let history blind you to the now ;)

It's way better now than it was back then. There was a long period of good ports, which combined with the Steam for Linux client made Linux gaming a real thing already. But instead of fizzling out like the last time there were ports, now Linux transitioned to "Run every game" without needing a port. Some exceptions, but they are working on it and compatibility is huge.

This will grow slowly but steadily now, and is ready to explode if Microsoft does on bad move (like crazy Windows 11 hardware requirements, but we'll see).

Biggest danger to that development are the gpu prices, the Intel gpus can only help there. A competent 200 bucks model is desperately needed to keep the PC as a gaming platform alive. It has to run on fumes - on old hardware - now.

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Post by mirker »

jeffbee wrote: post #37

Interesting, but the add-in-card GPU market for graphics purposes is so small, it's hard to get worked up about it. The overwhelming majority of GPU units sold are IGPs. Intel owns virtually 100% of the computer (excluding mobile) IGP market and 70% of the total GPU market. You can get almost the performance of Intel's discrete GPUs with their latest IGPs in "Tiger Lake" generation parts. Intel can afford to nibble a…

I would guess that the main point has to be hardware accelerated features, such as ray-tracing. I agree though that it seems pointless to buy a budget GPU when it’s basically a scaled up iGPU. Perhaps it makes sense if you want a mid-range CPU without a iGPU and you can’t operate it headlessly, or if you have an old PC that needs a mild refresh.

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Post by Tsiklon »

pankajdoharey wrote: post #38
voidfunc wrote: post #17

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Intel has the manufacturing capability to really beat up Nvidia. Even if the cards don’t perform like top-tier cards they could still win bigly here. Very exciting!

What about design capabilities? If they had it in them what were they doing all these yrs? i mean since 2000 i can remember a single GPU from intel that wasnt already behind the market.

Raja Koduri is Intel’s lead architect for their new product line; prior to this he was the lead of the Radeon Technologies Group at AMD, successfully delivering Polaris, Vega and Navi. Navi is AMD’s current GPU product architecture.

Things seem promising at this stage.

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Post by smcl »

midwestemo wrote: post #40
re-actor wrote: post #5

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Early 2022 is just 4 months away actually

Man this year is flying, I still think it's 2020.

Honestly, I've been guilty of treating much of the last year as a loading screen. At times I've been hyper-focussed on doing that lovely personal development we're all supposed to do when cooped up alone at home, and at others just pissing around making cocktails and talking shite with my friends over social media.

So basically what I'm saying is - "same" :D

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Post by smcl »

dleslie wrote: post #126
acdha wrote: post #85

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Was that billed as a serious gaming GPU? I don't remember the i740 as anything other than a low-budget option.

It was sold as a serious gaming GPU. Recall that this was an era where GPUs weren't yet a thing; instead there was 2D video cards and 3D accelerators that paired with. The i740 and TNT paved the way toward GPUs, while I don't recall whether either had programmable pipelines they both had 2D capacity. For budget gamers, it wasn't a _terrible_ choice to purchase an i740 for the combined 2D/3D ability.

My recollection is that the switchover to referring to them as a "GPU" wasn't integrating 2D and 3D in the same card, but the point where we offloaded MUCH more computation to the graphics card itself. So we're talking specifically about when NVidia launched the Geforce 256 - a couple of generations after the TNT
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