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“I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft” (2004)

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This is part of why I like the MacBook Air M1 computer so much. Great keyboard with an esc key.

The last of the Intel macs have real Esc keys too (eg the 16” Pro)

non-Intel 16" Pros do, too. Escape key was added back in Nov 2019.

Re: “I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft” (2004)

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MacOS was starting to get good in 2004, but unfortunately I feel that it went to their head. My opinion of MacOS didn't really start to decline until Catalina, at which point it started to become blatantly obvious that Apple was focused more on "business" than "computers" these days. I was surprisingly content with the openness of Mojave, and even hopeful for the future of the OS. If any slivers of hope were hanging…

Share the same opinion - in fact, I downgraded back to macOS Mojave. In some ways, I guess the picture is clearer now on why macOS seems to have gone downhill. With their own ARM processors, Apple had to re-shift its focus away from Intel and make its OS work well on its own processor. And of course, with their own ARM processors they can further dumb down macOS and lock it down like ios as that's more profitable for…

> And of course, with their own ARM processors they can further dumb down macOS and lock it down

Anything to back this up? There was nothing preventing them from ‘locking down’ an intel based macOS, and I haven’t seen any evidence of a money grab with M1 based macOS either…

Re: “I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft” (2004)

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I recently saved an old (2012) Mac Pro from the trash at work. As a lockdown project, I decided to do the rejuvenate the thing, thing. Cleaned it up, wiped and put a fresh copy of High Sierra on it. I am a long time Linux guy and I was pleasantly surprised. It’s almost fun to use!

That said, I believe High Sierra is the last release before things start getting...weird? My wife has a newer Mac (cannot remember the release) but I had some pretty crazy hurdles to install an unsigned bit of software. If that’s the trajectory Apple is taking, I don’t think I will be ditching Linux for MacOS.

Re: “I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft” (2004)

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The last of the Intel macs have real Esc keys too (eg the 16” Pro)

non-Intel 16" Pros do, too. Escape key was added back in Nov 2019.

There are no non-Intel 16" Macbook Pros.

Re: “I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft” (2004)

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I agree, but seemingly that hasn't mattered or helped much? Apple is a more valuable company in terms of market cap, and almost certainly a more 'loved' company in terms of mindshare. Many people thought they'd be doomed without Jobs but they've seemingly been doing just fine still (ignoring many valid criticisms here, of course, but talking about the general population). Which I really find fascinating. Aside from t…

Just to take a recent HN front page example, the link to SyncThing. It says " Since Android phones, at least, are Linux-based, one need only set up a normal shell environment on it and put Syncthing there to achieve this goal; the process shouldn't take more than a day or so. " The disconnect between the two worlds "people who use Apple products" and "people who think a day or so of your life is a reasonable amount o…

To be fair on Syncthing, it's not nearly as difficult as that particular article made it out to be.

If you want to run the normal CLI-with-a-web-server Syncthing on Android, sure you could do that... but you could also much better serve your time by just having the Syncthing app with a native Android GUI with it. The day-project turns into a 5-minute project.

Re: “I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft” (2004)

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Oh god yes. There's nothing more embarrassing than being unable to exit fullscreen powerpoint because the touch bar just won't show the ESC option because you once changed a setting about the touchbar. ESC should never permanently disappear!

This is part of why I like the MacBook Air M1 computer so much. Great keyboard with an esc key.

> ...I like the MacBook Air M1 computer... Great keyboard with an esc key.

Modern wonders never cease!

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windows is already not great for dev? I'll bite, what were you doing, ios apps? lol

Getting a functional semi-ok, posix sorta vaguely compliant terminal is not a fun or easy task in windows. The web runs linux, and unfortunately, windows doesn't really want to do linux (WSL is a tiny concession)

WSL doesn't cut it, it's at best frustrating with all sort of weird problems. Just yesterday, as I was forced to use Windows at work, I couldn't get emacs to save a file because of some weird locking issue when trying to compile some react application that would work fine on linux

Re: “I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft” (2004)

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ctrl+c also works if you are using vim (and not vi). one handed!

That is one-handed in precisely the same way that ctrl-[ is one-handed.

Not on a Mac, unfortunately. I mean, I can place my thumb on the left control and pinky on the [ so maybe you’re correct

Re: “I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft” (2004)

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Just to take a recent HN front page example, the link to SyncThing. It says " Since Android phones, at least, are Linux-based, one need only set up a normal shell environment on it and put Syncthing there to achieve this goal; the process shouldn't take more than a day or so. " The disconnect between the two worlds "people who use Apple products" and "people who think a day or so of your life is a reasonable amount o…

I take your point for sure, but, that's not really what we're comparing against, is it? The comparison is more like google drive, or whatever MS's version of that is now. At that point the distinction seems relatively minor to me.

Well, it depends what you meant when you said "why they continue to be so successful.". If you compare iOS to Android, Android outsells it by vast numbers. If you compare macOS to Windows, Windows outsells it by vast numbers. How do they hold a niche by making nice products? Well they make nice high-end luxurious feeling products and that's surely enough.

If you take it more like "why do so many devs use macOS when they could have open source fully customisable Linux/BSD" which is in some ways their real "surprising" success given that they are more expensive and less customisable, the answer falls out in every HN thread about Apple - they build things which let people get on with their work. People get fed up of fighting suspend mode or wifi config or high-DPI displays or sound drivers or web video or breaking upgrades or regularly needing to edit config files to keep things basically working, and Apple makes all that go away. And that increasingly applies to Microsoft/Windows, people on HN often say things like "Win 10 ads in the start menu and telemetry is the last straw, I bought a Mac" or "I'm fed up of Windows update reboots interrupting me, I bought an M1 laptop", but they don't say nearly as much "I use macOS for the consistency of UI aesthetic". [Although people do say things like that about choosing iOS instead of Android]

Syncthing would compare to Google Drive or Microsoft OneDrive, but it's the ecosystem and developer attitude towards users that I'm pointing to, not the file sync part. Apple walk the fine line between taking options away vs forcing you to deal with plumbing, easily well enough to keep their niche market share. "I actively dislike a lot of the way they dumb down interfaces, but I acknowledge that's something the vast majority of users won't ever care about." - including plenty of tech users who don't care.

Re: “I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft” (2004)

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Sometimes my work-issued Macbook decides that it no longer wants to display an escape key on the touch bar (and there is no physical escape key). People joke about not knowing how to exit vi, but it turns out the game is even harder when your machine takes away your escape key!

Map caps lock to ESC using Karabiner https://karabiner-elements.pqrs.org/

You can do this natively in the Mac keyboard settings.
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