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Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by Closi »

sonthonax wrote: post #116
cde-v wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe don't hire a known child rapist/torturer if you don't want to be hated.

We're in agreement that knowingly associating oneself with pedophiles deserves a degree of opprobrium. However that does raise the question, how much opprobrium? The person in question probably suffers psychologically a great deal. Who wouldn't if they were dealt with the double-hand of gender-dysphoria and a pedophile father? I think it is safe to conclude this person is not well. Does the world really stand to gain…

> The person in question probably suffers psychologically a great deal. Who wouldn't if they were dealt with the double-hand of gender-dysphoria and a pedophile father?

You don't get a pass on hiring your dad while he is being charged for sex crimes just because you are trans.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by Jaepa »

zpeti wrote: post #72
eplanit wrote: post #11

Not dystopian sounding at all: Please do not name this individual, at all. Doing so may result in your account being banned by the admins. Please do not ask further questions about this, as doing so may result in your account being banned by the admins. Please do not discuss this incident on Reddit publicly or privately (e.g. on private subreddits and/or in private messages, chat etc.), as doing so may result in your…

https://retalk.com is waiting with open arms.

Alright lets go through the Reddit Alternative checklist.

   [x] Link to David Duke's article and positive discussion of it.
    [x] Bonus points for whites are the real victim of displacing native Americans narrative.    
   [x] Multiple posts about pissing off the lefties.
   [x] Weird anti Bill Gates articles
   [x] Multiple GatewayPundit articles on the front page.
   [x] Calls for Trump social media.
   [x] Random LockdownSceptics.org AMA.
... So just like every other one then?

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by dragonwriter »

tasogare wrote: post #117
dragonwriter wrote: post #100

Reddit has a real and serious potential liability if they didn't take action on this (now, there is a very good argument that hiring the individual in question in the role in question showed epically poor judgement, but, while a part of the chain of events that got the situation to this point, that's a different issue.)

Which liability? In which juridiction? From what I read in another other website, the affair seems pretty serious: hired murderer pedophile dad and met husband on a furry forum on which that guy wrote about raping children. Since that individual is a political figure (thus public figure) it’s legitimate the people discuss about those facts.

> Which liability? In which juridiction?

Both workplace environment (and, yes, not protecting from hostile environment on protected characteristics created by customers, suppliers, or other business contacts can be a source of liability) liability where she is currently employed by Reddit (which is in the US; I’m not sure which state, but that’s not super important since gender identity is federally protected within statutory protection of sex under the Bostock v. Clayton County decision), and, as far as anything potentially falls into the realm of defamatory fact claims, libel liability in any jurisdiction in which Knight/Challenor has defensible reputation interests; notably, this includes the UK, which has neither a NY Times v. Sullivan-style high bar for defamation liability when the subject is a public figure nor CDA Section 230-style protection of online platforms from being treated as a publisher of libels submitted by users.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by [deleted] »

km3r wrote: post #124
mercurysmessage wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it fair to criticize people for being gay too? I just don't see the points of these arguments. Thought people on this site "loved discussion". Nope. They love hearing their own opinions, and attacking and downvoting anything that is not conservative. I'm out.

Too many times ration discussion critical on parts of the trans rights movement is heavily downvoted or banned. The people who otherwise support trans people, but think 'affirmation-only' approaches are the wrong way to go, are forced to forums/subs filled with people who are unapologetically transphobic. The discussion there will often lead the moderate opinions to radicalization. Of course parts of gay culture can…

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Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by ohyeshedid »

Black101 wrote: post #80
ramphastidae wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flagging is the least bad system I’ve seen so far. HN can be configured to show flagged or dead posts as well so it doesn’t really compare.

Does the admin(s) need to do anything to hide a post when a post has been flagged by users or it is automatically hidden?

It's automatically hidden.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by kortilla »

mercurysmessage wrote: post #70
zozbot234 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Political/social criticism should not be mislabeled as "hate". Trans-related issues are extremely complex no matter what anyone's personal POV might be, and keeping a critical attitude is entirely legitimate.

Is it fair to criticize people for being gay too? I just don't see the points of these arguments. Thought people on this site "loved discussion". Nope. They love hearing their own opinions, and attacking and downvoting anything that is not conservative. I'm out.

It’s not clear what point you’re trying to make.

> I just don't see the points of these arguments.

Directly contradicts with

> Thought people on this site "loved discussion".

And this

> They love hearing their own opinions

Contradicts with

> downvoting anything that is not conservative.

Considering the heavy presence of Bay Area commenters and the fact that the Bay Area skews more liberal than most places in the US.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by Macha »

phpnode wrote: post #22

HN is also penalising threads that discuss this. This post has 74 upvotes in 27 minutes and 11 comments at time of writing. Ordinarily it would significantly outrank most of the other posts on the front page, but it doesn't seem to be able to break past #15. Either this is because HN users are flagging it, or because something else is going on. As Reddit is a YC company it'd be really nice to hear an explanation. Thi…

HN penalises threads that are "too active", as potential flame wars and downranks them automatically. There's also user flagging. I don't think it indicates that HN is specifically taking action against this thread because of who it's about, just the usual automated mechanisms.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by csunbird »

esja wrote: post #129
mercurysmessage wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it fair to criticize people for being gay too? I just don't see the points of these arguments. Thought people on this site "loved discussion". Nope. They love hearing their own opinions, and attacking and downvoting anything that is not conservative. I'm out.

You might have been downvoted for conflating gay and trans concerns as though they are the same. From what I've observed there are genuine conflicts between those communities and discussion is necessary to resolve them - it's not automatically "criticism". For example quite a few of the "gender critical" people being referred to here are actually lesbians, and they've been accused of hate or transphobia because they…

Forcing anyone to change their sexual preferences because of social justice is plain wrong.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by zozbot234 »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #125
mercurysmessage wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it fair to criticize people for being gay too? I just don't see the points of these arguments. Thought people on this site "loved discussion". Nope. They love hearing their own opinions, and attacking and downvoting anything that is not conservative. I'm out.

"Criticize" is a broad word. The modern concept of trans-ness only exists in the first place because people felt free to think about and question the conventional wisdom in gender politics. (One prominent example of this dynamic is Marsha P. Johnson, who's usually considered a trans woman today, even though she never used the term "transgender" herself and often identified as gay.)

> The modern concept of trans-ness only exists in the first place because people felt free to think about and question the conventional wisdom in gender politics.

BTW, this is just as true of the modern concept of gay. Egalitarian/romantic relationships among men were not typical or well-regarded prior to well into the 19th c., even within the relevant communities.

Re: Reddit is banning any Aimee Challenor mention. UK public figure and Reddit admin

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Post by Droobfest »

Traster wrote: post #47

I've got to assume that the bannings are being done by Aimee as the new admin, because I can't imagine that anyone else at reddit would be so unfamiliar with Reddit that they would think this is a good idea. Look how much shit Ellen Pao got, and she was basically doing a decent job. I can't imagine this is going to go much better.

Ellen Pao was the beginning of the large scale decline of reddit. She might've done a decent job according to the owners, but I can't imagine much users agreeing with that assessment.
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