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Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by wreath »

toxik wrote: post #137
Ahmed90 wrote: post #41

It's an obvious "following the local law" thingy, Facebook doesn't give a s*t, I personally reported 3 posts on different FB pages 1st was a religion extremist guy who says to Iraqi people that they should protest and fight the "other side" of the religion (aka start a new civil war) instead of protesting against the corrupted government. 2nd was a post that was praising the guy who murdered the Danish (Or was he Nor…

Paty was French, where did you get Danish or Norwegian from?

Probably confused with the Danish cartoonist Kurt Westergaard

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by monadic6 »

Barrin92 wrote: post #29

It's the correct decision (although Facebook likely only cares about its bottom line). the YPG is designated as a terrorist organisation by the Turkish state and it's quite obvious that Turkey will want to exercise sovereignty over its communication channels rather than letting an opposing military force broadcast freely to its citizens. It's not really the job of a private company to undermine nations in this way fo…

It's not really the job of facebook to do anything or care about anyone. It's on you and me to force them to do anything.

Don't get me wrong, I will absolutely blame the corporate apologists when shit goes bad. It's assholes like you that create an abusive environment for the rest of us. Your hands are soaked with blood.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by mclightning »

LegitShady wrote: post #131
mclightning wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This shallow understanding of Turkish politics, is gonna come to impact western influence in middle east adversely very soon. More so European interests in short term, and US influence globally on the long run. I have been reading comments similar to yours. Your view is nothing but naive / pure romanticism. There is a large amount of us (Turks of all opinions), just reading silently. Yet you are confident enough to s…

>If this is an orchestrated divide. I don't mind West being so ignorant of Turkey. The west is so deep in turkey they know what color underwear edrogan wears each morning. You're mistaking PR with reality. The west misunderstanding turkey is much more likely to hurt turkey in the long run, than hurt the west.

Erdogan is not Turkey... A bigger power loses more from any conflict threatening the status quo. Turkey is a key player in protection of status quo surrounding the region shaped heavily by western influence.

Turkey siding with Russia/China, leaving NATO would be end of any US influence in mideast + eastern mediterranean. Guess why Putin is giving so many nice toys to Erdogan. He wants to make Turkey confident and stand up for itself by conflict instead of diplomacy. Meanwhile West is doing the opposite game. I think we all know where this goes.

Remind you, Turkey is 80M in population. Any all out war or a civilian war, will be 4 times worse than Syria, 2 times worse than Iraq. Europe/West had to redefine itself in face of refugee crisis from Syria. We will be talking about a whole different "Western values" if such a crisis happens. And if that happens, CCP won't look so bad to most of the world.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by Cyph0n »

true_religion wrote: post #110
ArkanExplorer wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germans, and Europeans generally, have put the security of themselves and their families in jeopardy over thousands of years to live in the free and open societies that you are now taking for granted.

That may be true. But now he’s German (perhaps) and really ought to be treated as such. Or I may be talking from a hopelessly American perspective where immigrants ideally integrate and cut ties with their old counties.

Expecting immigrants to cut ties with their countries is completely wrong. It may be hard for some people to understand, but a person can belong to more than one nation.

In my case, I am proud to be American, but I am also proud to be Tunisian. My extended family is in Tunisia and I love the country, so I make sure to visit regularly. And I will be sure to teach my children about Tunisia, its culture, its language, and its cuisine.

Over a few generations, this dual identity usually declines, simply because successive generations feel less of a kinship to their original country.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by rchaud »

true_religion wrote: post #110
ArkanExplorer wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germans, and Europeans generally, have put the security of themselves and their families in jeopardy over thousands of years to live in the free and open societies that you are now taking for granted.

That may be true. But now he’s German (perhaps) and really ought to be treated as such. Or I may be talking from a hopelessly American perspective where immigrants ideally integrate and cut ties with their old counties.

That perspective may benefit from re-evaluation. People that immigrated to America before the advent of air travel, satellite TV and internet had no choice when it came to cutting ties with their home country.

People integrate at their own pace. First-generation immigrants' kids tend to integrate fast or develop a dual-culture identity, because that is what they're around from the time they're born. The parents may never fully integrate if they came here as adults and spent a significant portion of their lifetime in another culture.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by coffeefirst »

Ahmed90 wrote: post #41

It's an obvious "following the local law" thingy, Facebook doesn't give a s*t, I personally reported 3 posts on different FB pages 1st was a religion extremist guy who says to Iraqi people that they should protest and fight the "other side" of the religion (aka start a new civil war) instead of protesting against the corrupted government. 2nd was a post that was praising the guy who murdered the Danish (Or was he Nor…

Yeah, I've reported a bunch of stuff, all of it egregious. I have an inbox full of "thank you but this does not violate our community standards" to show for it.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by Shivetya »

Barrin92 wrote: post #29

It's the correct decision (although Facebook likely only cares about its bottom line). the YPG is designated as a terrorist organisation by the Turkish state and it's quite obvious that Turkey will want to exercise sovereignty over its communication channels rather than letting an opposing military force broadcast freely to its citizens. It's not really the job of a private company to undermine nations in this way fo…

I had a nice long reply but had some time to simply fit.

The issue here isn't that Facebook is complying with a government's wishes it is that we don't hold our own governments liable first. As in, you should first blame your own government for turning a blind eye to events you find objectionable. People cheer on facebook and others here for locking out opinions they don't want, they just find a clean term to justify it (no fake news, hate, etc)

However to be blunt. No government is without issues and it would be a better use of your angst to clean up your own government before asking your government or a private firm to interfere in the actions of others. As in, police yourself first.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by umvi »

So basically all world governments are locked in to their current state forever from the perspective of big tech, even if they are tyrannical regimes? Basically any group trying to invoke change will be labeled terrorists and will be censored and suppressed.

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by botverse »

umvi wrote: post #148

So basically all world governments are locked in to their current state forever from the perspective of big tech, even if they are tyrannical regimes? Basically any group trying to invoke change will be labeled terrorists and will be censored and suppressed.

This is IMO the most valuable reflection of the whole thread. It can be seen as morals are conditional for big tech companies and depend of arbitrary circumstances like location

Re: Facebook blocked posts by a militia group opposed to the Turkish government

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Post by marshmallow_12 »

LegitShady wrote: post #133
marshmallow_12 wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Freedom of speech/expression is a right of every individual on this planet I do think that it's slightly more nuanced. On certain issues there is no freedom of speech. This is when it is determined that the opinions expressed are detrimental to the human race and largely false. Nazi beliefs are in this category. They are so harmful to the public that individual freedom is quashed. incitement to murder is another. Y…

>This is when it is determined that the opinions expressed are detrimental to the human race and largely false. Then any speech that threatens power structures will be determined to be detrimental, and banned. The only way to protect speech is to protect speech, even if you dislike it. That's why the ACLU, before they were coopted as they are today, defended nazis in illinois. Don't be short sighted, be long sighted.…

I'm not saying that it's a clear cut issue. I think there are definite cases when freedom of speech causes more harm then good. If someone will preach that we must kill every single person with 8 fingers, for example, we will curtail his freedom with very little consideration.
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