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Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by trident5000 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 11:51 PM UTC

mullingitover wrote: post #109

trident5000 wrote: post #104

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I'm not really a fan. But I must say, he asked for a protest, not for them to storm the Capital. He probably wanted to stir it up, but never thought it would go that far. I have not seen any explicit tweets where he asked for that. The other thing I want to mention (in demonstrating the two standards) is that the dem leadership cheered on protests in the summer with battle like language which turned into far larger a…

> But I must say, he asked for a protest, not for them to storm the Capital He's not completely stupid, at least in the short term. I'll give him that. The fact is, however, that he made breathtaking, wholly unfounded claims of a vast conspiracy that if you believed them would lead you to believe that a revolution was in order and completely appropriate. Then he turned them loose on the Capitol.

Anyway, my point here is not to defend trump. Just to point out that both sides caused riots over the past 6 months with leaders egging them on and 1 side was penalized.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by mullingitover » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 11:53 PM UTC

tetrometal wrote: post #124

mullingitover wrote: post #117

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Just trying to be clear, are you saying these events were justified, or that the attack on the US Capitol was justified?

They are obviously pointing out the hypocrisy and bias with which the left spins narratives. Here's a pointed question for you: Which was worse and by what measure, the BLM/Antifa riots of last year or the capitol building riot?

> Here's a pointed question for you: Which was worse and by what measure, the BLM/Antifa riots of last year or the capitol building riot?

I'm gonna say that the mob attack on the United States' entire line of succession over false claims of fraud is worse than overwhelmingly peaceful protests over the murder of an unarmed, compliant man in police custody.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by throwaway45349 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 11:53 PM UTC

selfhoster11 wrote: post #120

klodolph wrote: post #74

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I don’t think so, but my guess is as bad as anyone else’s. People have too many family members, coworkers, friends, etc. across country borders. There’s a high cost to cutting your country off from the rest of the internet in any real way. The cost of intercepting / controlling / severing internet communication is high and gets higher as communication volumes get higher, the economy relies more heavy on international…

This was the narrative before Brexit, and yet that didn't ultimately stop it. Game theory rarely helps when the actors aren't perfectly rational, which they aren't.

From the perspective of an "irrational actor": Brexit was much more about not liking the political policies of the EU than about cutting the UK off from the rest of the world.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by mullingitover » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 11:54 PM UTC

tetrometal wrote: post #139

mullingitover wrote: post #109

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> But I must say, he asked for a protest, not for them to storm the Capital He's not completely stupid, at least in the short term. I'll give him that. The fact is, however, that he made breathtaking, wholly unfounded claims of a vast conspiracy that if you believed them would lead you to believe that a revolution was in order and completely appropriate. Then he turned them loose on the Capitol.

You're just making assertions and hoping that the zeitgeist continues to agree with you. It's easy for the winning side to trot out a bunch of people that support their position (and if you try suggesting R's are on the same side as Trump supporters, then you're more divorced from reality than I feared). Trump supporters don't care. They want specific concerns addressed. And frankly, they should be. Every election in…

> So what we have now is a huge fraction of the population that feel the election has been stolen

Ask yourself, who led these people to believe this.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by throwaway45349 » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 11:56 PM UTC

tester756 wrote: post #102

throwaway45349 wrote: post #77

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Banking, for one.

why would banking not be avaliable via www?

Many banks don't provide HTTP endpoints (except for business versions). My bank, Monzo, does not. My other bank TSB does provide a website, but it's awful.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by alisonkisk » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 11:57 PM UTC

laurent92 wrote: post #31

> foreign values Not even foreign values. Only subset of foreign values which are only shared by the Silicon Valley. Beyond that, half the US people disagree with Google/Apple/Twitter/Facebook’s non-neutral stance on politics, who weighed their full weight in censoring 50% of the political spectrum. I will not call it the pied piper because Uganda weighs nothing, but the GAFA’s politics are now visible as directly ha…

"50% of the spectrum" is not censored. Some extent edges are. Most of the right-wing don't care about Trump and his fan clubs, they just care about whoever the Republican candidates are.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by michaelmrose » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 11:58 PM UTC

mc32 wrote: post #75

mullingitover wrote: post #70

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> while censoring the 50% rest of the political spectrum Let's be clear: moderating/banning the accounts of a man and his supporters who invited tens of thousands of people to the United States Capitol, spent hours lying to them about the results of the election, and then weaponized them in an attempt to overthrow the US government is not a case of Twitter crossing some sort of threshold into tyranny. A grave crime w…

Ransacking through the capitol like imbeciles was very ill advised, but that’s not how a coup is executed. You need dedicated backers [cause oriented willing to sacrifice] high up in the armed forces as well as the intelligentsia. Rag tag groups do not execute coups. That’s a willful exaggeration and further evidence of how narratives tilt people’s thinking. This is the media and social media calling it that -they ca…

A few of my favorite things that were brought to the capital. Zip ties, several guns, 11 molotov cocktails, 2 pipe bombs.

Guliani also asked Tuberville to object to every state which if acted on would have required at least 11 days of 12 hour sessions with an armed angry mob outside.

When they finally attacked it took hours to authorize the national guard to defend the capital giving the mob maximum time to terrorize congress.

It we examine the possible failure modes in this situation we can imagine.

- The mob could have slaughtered burned or blew up our congress or enough to frighten the rest into compliance.

- The mob could have destroyed the physical copy of the ballots delaying the matter giving the mob more time to intimidate legislators further.

- The legislature might have lost heart over 11 days of being terrorized by the mob outside and come to some compromise like allowing congress to vote on the matter one delegation one vote allowing the republicans to pick the next president.

This would have only required all of the republican party and 6 democrats in the house to join to enact. They would simply have had to vote with the republicans to reject 36 states worth of EC votes in order to throw the election to the house.

It is foolish to suppose this couldn't possibly have succeeded just because they are very very incompetent. They could never have enacted a traditional coup because the military was never on their side. This could actually have worked if our congress had lost heart.

This was absolutely an attempted coup and we would be stupid to treat it as less.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by jrockway » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 11:58 PM UTC

tetrometal wrote: post #97

mullingitover wrote: post #70

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> while censoring the 50% rest of the political spectrum Let's be clear: moderating/banning the accounts of a man and his supporters who invited tens of thousands of people to the United States Capitol, spent hours lying to them about the results of the election, and then weaponized them in an attempt to overthrow the US government is not a case of Twitter crossing some sort of threshold into tyranny. A grave crime w…

Let's be very clear: Trump did not "incite" an "insurrection". The dude was trying to hold a rally. Shit got out of hand much like in the George Floyd riots, but to a much lesser degree. In spite of the relative magnitudes of the death and destruction in those events, the insane leftist media has somehow decided to paint the George Floyd riots as understandable at worst and freaking obligatory at best. At the same ti…

This is a very programmery viewpoint. Trump didn't literally say "hey guys, go wreck up the Capitol", so his hands are clean. But... the real world is not a computer program. People can read between the lines. In this case, Trump planned a rally on the exact day of the congressional certification of the election results. He spent the previous two months telling his supporters the election was a fraud, and that they needed to "stop the steal". Then at the conveniently scheduled (and located) rally, he riled up the crowd and asked them to march to the Capitol. They were able to read between the line and follow his orders.

It's true that he didn't write a line of code like "minions.wreckUpTheCapitol()" but in the non-programmer world, things need not be as certain.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by tetrometal » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 11:58 PM UTC

mullingitover wrote: post #137

vimy wrote: post #126

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It's okay when the left does it but it's a national crisis when the right does it. Pointing out the hypocrisy.

I don't recall the time when armed insurrectionists with guns, bombs, and zip ties attempted to execute the Vice President when the left did it, can you share some links?

You're narrowing the criteria to match this specific event and asking for an exact replica the left, of which there are none. We see through your rhetoric.

Last summer was replete with examples of violence from the left. Far more deadly and destructive than seen at the capitol building riot.

Re: Ugandan government blocks Google Play Store, Apple App Store, and YouTube

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Post by alisonkisk » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 11:58 PM UTC

trident5000 wrote: post #141

mullingitover wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But I must say, he asked for a protest, not for them to storm the Capital He's not completely stupid, at least in the short term. I'll give him that. The fact is, however, that he made breathtaking, wholly unfounded claims of a vast conspiracy that if you believed them would lead you to believe that a revolution was in order and completely appropriate. Then he turned them loose on the Capitol.

Anyway, my point here is not to defend trump. Just to point out that both sides caused riots over the past 6 months with leaders egging them on and 1 side was penalized.

Show me where both sides' leaders egged on rioters.