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Post by metiscus »

malloreon wrote: post #100
metiscus wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Moving the discourse further away from the light won't help cure the divide in this country. We need more discussion, not less. We need to get both sides talking to each other not to themselves about each other.

you're making the incorrect assumption that both sides of the discourse have valid positions. 1. what is a non-racist person supposed to say to a racist person to change their views? 2. why is it the non-racist person's responsibility to talk to the racist person? in the words of office space, "why should I change? he's the one who sucks."

The 1960s and 1970s saw a reckoning in the USA that while not complete, did result in a number of people with substantially incorrect views eventually coming about to a more sensible position.

Similar victories have been achieved with respect to drug legalization and "gay marriage".

None of these victories are or ever will be complete but a combination of discussion and social pressure did make significant social progress possible.

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Post by nailer »

hilbertseries wrote: post #54
nailer wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What was the insurrection? Some protestors got into the Capitol building. Don't make it out like it's more than it is.

Protestors, armed with guns and pipe bombs carrying zip ties as well. Who were seeking to stop the certification of the electoral college vote. Yes, insurrection.

It's America. People arm themselves. It was far less violent and less of a show of power than taking over a police station and city blocks from the other group.

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Post by [deleted] »

Pxtl wrote: post #22

There's an amusing irony in the downvotes in this thread. The champions of free-speech angry that Apple might ban a platform for speech that ultimately led to an attempted insurrection? These champions of free speech seem to be agressively trying to silence anybody happy about this news.

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Post by ravenstine »

tempsy wrote: post #23

Suddenly half the population is realizing the cons of centralized platforms. Curious if this moment sparks renewed interest in decentralized tech of yesteryear ie the good ol world wide web.

Half the population? Maybe half of the remaining 20% of the population.

Re: Apple has threatened to ban Parler from the App Store

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Post by eloff »

decebalus1 wrote: post #30

Before anyone starts complaining about censorship or free speech in the context of the first amendment, I'll just leave this here: https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/17/18682099/supreme-court-ru... Along with the actual text from the constition: AMENDMENT I Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or…

The first amendment doesn't apply to private platforms or spaces.

Perhaps it should when those platforms develop monopoly levels of control over distribution.

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Post by bladefire »

zaroth wrote: post #58
mmastrac wrote: post #8

Thank fucking god. These tech companies were complicit in an incompetent but serious insurrection attempt. Better late than never, but they must have known things were going to get bad. The right and the associated white supremists have far too much freedom to spread disinformation, racism and hatred. I'm sure we'll see free speech absolutists in arms about this, but today is a good day for democracy.

And herein lies the danger behind scurrilous invocation of terms like “insurrection” and “coup”. It’s an attempted justification for the “cleansing” that’s already well underway on Twitter today, and will continue unabated for as long as the majority is silent while the radicals cheer it on. While a small minority loudly yell ”good riddance” the rest of us wonder what happens next time we write something wrong.

They don't have not understand boundaries, they can't see beyond the tip of their nose, and as long as Amazon is still delivering, this will never end.

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Post by throwaway45349 »

Barrin92 wrote: post #103
chroem- wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're proposing to remove a very large, very alienated group's last public channel to express themselves peacefully. This risks further escalation. This is compounded with the stark contrast to how the protests were handled this summer.

people are straight up calling for murder on that website, it's insane. There's no negotiating. "Let me call for violence on the internet, or I'll go out and actually shoot someone" is nuts. That's not someone you negotiate with, that's a person that belongs into a mental ward. Authority does not need to back down because someone threatens terrorism. And yes before other events are invoked, that goes for all form of…

You know, if these people weren't pushed off the mainstream platforms they may have been de-radicalized by regular people before things got worse. Just look at how QAnon festered underground until it was too late to get rid of.

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway3699 wrote: post #19
mmastrac wrote: post #8

Thank fucking god. These tech companies were complicit in an incompetent but serious insurrection attempt. Better late than never, but they must have known things were going to get bad. The right and the associated white supremists have far too much freedom to spread disinformation, racism and hatred. I'm sure we'll see free speech absolutists in arms about this, but today is a good day for democracy.

> I'm sure we'll see free speech absolutists in arms about this, but today is a good day for democracy. Yeah, I think I'm done with this industry. When did everyone become a fascist all of a sudden? Edit: Fascism literally means big corporations and governments imposing a moral structure on society. What Apple is doing is fascist. It's also stupidly anticompetitive by not booting Facebook and Twitter off for the same…

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Post by FireBeyond »

nailer wrote: post #36
Pxtl wrote: post #22

There's an amusing irony in the downvotes in this thread. The champions of free-speech angry that Apple might ban a platform for speech that ultimately led to an attempted insurrection? These champions of free speech seem to be agressively trying to silence anybody happy about this news.

What was the insurrection? Some protestors got into the Capitol building. Don't make it out like it's more than it is.

Let's see. Guns. Handcuffs. Zip ties. Duck tape. A gallows and noose outside. A large part of the chain of leadership in one place. No, just "first amendment rights", I'm sure. No-one was ever intended to be harmed. Those chants of "Hang Mike Pence" were entirely ironic, no doubt.
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