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Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by vmception »

rhacker wrote: post #108
vmception wrote: post #63

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Think about all the people behind on their rent and/or need to break their lease (an additional month rent) to move otherwise they risk a court ordered eviction, a debt judgement, and being on the “do not rent” list for all landlords everywhere forever no matter if the monthly rent is 1/10th the amount that caused the problem during a global pandemic. A $10k cash infusion solves all or a lot of that in most cases. Ma…

There's a national Do Not Rent list?

As soon as your name is called in court in an eviction proceeding it gets added to a list that prudent landlords check. Good luck renting anywhere from then on. People get marginalized to the worst neighborhoods until they can pay to own properties with cash, which usually never occurs.

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Post by bruceb »

sicromoft wrote: post #135
geodel wrote: post #130

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Good for you. You seemed to move to place that sit right with your political positions.

Wanting to be respected by their community is a political position?

or some people always looking for a reason to be offended or feel like someone doesn't like them.

There are plenty of people in a self righteous bubble who think they are enlightened and those in the red states are mouth breathers who spend their day looking to hate people.

Meanwhile you see people in the Bay Area with BLM signs in their yard yet no actual black lives live in their neighborhood.

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Post by burnthrow »

blhack wrote: post #57
chokeartist wrote: post #37

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Based on what? Not disputing you, legitimately curious. I am considering moving to Phoenix. Thanks!

The semiconductor industry has an huge presence here. Here's a new (major) fab going in: https://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/news/2020/10/20/semicond... Intel also has fabs here. Semiconductor manufacturing is a major industry in Phoenix.

"Has tech industry" is not the same as "new Silicon Valley." As defined by an insatiable need for new programmer blood. Phoenix is laughably far from having that. Seattle (mostly Amazon) and Austin in the last decade have come closest to that, and are still a far cry.

Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by bruceb »

sgustard wrote: post #134
techsupporter wrote: post #17

I (truly) wish these people good luck and hope they find the happiness they seek. I am from near Tulsa and there's absolutely no way in hell you'll ever catch my family moving back to there. It's hot, humid, comes with tornadoes, you have to drive everywhere (and everywhere is set up on the assumption you will drive). Plus, I will never forget the clerk at the licensing office who, after the rules changed to require…

Has Tulsa agreed to look for the mass graves of its citizens killed in the race massacre yet? Seems like that might deter the level of "diversity" the city is looking for.

Tulsa is 15.6% Black

San Francisco is 6.1% Black

Would maybe slow the roll on who is more diverse.

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Post by Retric »

leetcrew wrote: post #90
Retric wrote: post #76

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It’s really odd to me that California is perceived to be such a problem while the area is so economically productive. It’s a very odd type of cognitive dissonance where something is both a model to be copied and a mess at the same time by the same people. People try and recreate Silicon Valley while arguing non competes must be enforced. As if the ideas must inherently be unrelated.

> It’s really odd to me that California is perceived to be such a problem while the area is so economically productive. It’s a very odd type of cognitive dissonance where something is both a model to be copied and a mess at the same time by the same people. it's only odd if you think economic productivity is the sole determination of what makes a desirable place to live. regarding SF in particular, it's phenomenal wh…

That rate of property crime is a direct result of prosperity. In poor areas there is less stuff worth stealing and people spend more effort protecting it.

The average house in Riverdale Chicago is worth less than the average car in Silicon Vally. People there make less money from armed robbery than someone can shoplift from a Silicon Valley Apple store. So shockingly with different risk/reward payoffs you get more property crime instead of armed robbery.

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Post by burnthrow »

dragonwriter wrote: post #137
burnthrow wrote: post #123

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> the rate of petty crime rivals that of the most dangerous cities in america Correction: SF has nation-leading levels of property crime, a leaderboard dominated by west coast cities. The US cities with highest violent crime rates have comparably low property crime. Which makes sense: Property crime is riskier in those places.

Violent crime is often also property crime in fact, but often not counted as such. So the level of violent crime masks some of the property crime.

A negligible amount. Property crime rate far exceeds violent crime rate in every US city.

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Post by jzoch »

bruceb wrote: post #144
sgustard wrote: post #134

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Has Tulsa agreed to look for the mass graves of its citizens killed in the race massacre yet? Seems like that might deter the level of "diversity" the city is looking for.

Tulsa is 15.6% Black San Francisco is 6.1% Black Would maybe slow the roll on who is more diverse.

San Francisco. Hands down. I mean c'mon. This is not token diversity - San Francisco, with its many many cultures and immigrants from all over the world constantly intermingling and its many industries is far more diverse than a midwest town. Even if there are more of one type of minority in that town.

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Post by [deleted] »

Retric wrote: post #145
leetcrew wrote: post #90

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> It’s really odd to me that California is perceived to be such a problem while the area is so economically productive. It’s a very odd type of cognitive dissonance where something is both a model to be copied and a mess at the same time by the same people. it's only odd if you think economic productivity is the sole determination of what makes a desirable place to live. regarding SF in particular, it's phenomenal wh…

That rate of property crime is a direct result of prosperity. In poor areas there is less stuff worth stealing and people spend more effort protecting it. The average house in Riverdale Chicago is worth less than the average car in Silicon Vally. People there make less money from armed robbery than someone can shoplift from a Silicon Valley Apple store. So shockingly with different risk/reward payoffs you get more pr…

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Re: Bay Area applicants flood program that pays them $10k to move to Tulsa

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Post by dragonwriter »

bruceb wrote: post #144
sgustard wrote: post #134

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Has Tulsa agreed to look for the mass graves of its citizens killed in the race massacre yet? Seems like that might deter the level of "diversity" the city is looking for.

Tulsa is 15.6% Black San Francisco is 6.1% Black Would maybe slow the roll on who is more diverse.

Tulsa is more Black than SF. Also, more White than SF.

SF is more diverse (even just racially; ethnicity and national origin just makes that even more clear.) There's more to the world that White and Black.

(Also, in the Bay Area, Oakland is 22.7% Black and about the population of Tulsa, so if you are looking for concentrated Blackness, the Bay Area has Tulsa beat on that as well as diversity.)

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Post by mint2 »

sgustard wrote: post #131
techsupporter wrote: post #99

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> depending on what they value And therein lies the rub. We had the big house (that we had to clean more often and pay more to heat, cool, and maintain), the huge yard with lots of space (that we had to spend hours every weekend dealing with, along with the cost), the two cars (with their own costs and hassles), and so on. What we didn't have was the respect of our community, or at least the recognition that families…

I was hoping someone would make this comment. White flight to a red state is nothing new. My neighbors in the bay area represent dozens of cultures and no one's going to pay me to give that up.

As a CA native, I feel weird and out of place when in any area with a single overwhelmingly dominant ethnicity. Whether it’s the Midwest or Shanghai, it just feels weird like something is off. I’m just too used to very multicultural areas.
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