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Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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FTX [0] has President Trump's chances at remaining President in February 2021 at a little over 10%. Numerous legal pathways remain for President Trump to win. https://ftx.com/trade/TRUMPFEB

These are 11c contracts that pay $1 in Feb if he's president and $0 otherwise. It's basically people betting on what is a very unlikely scenario now.

Calling this a 10% chance he continues to be president in Feb21 is disingenuous at best.

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post #124

Can we have a conversation about broader implications of the increasing power in the public discourse of Twitter et al.? I’m no Trump supporter but I do wonder if the tables were turned and Twitter e.g. turned Biden’s page into a wall of hidden tweets because of something it disagreed with (there are enough grievances with Big Tech from both sides). Do people think this is isolated (because Trump is, well, Trump) or…

Trump's recent tweets that were flagged by Twitter weren't disagreements, they were antidemocratic.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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post #124

Can we have a conversation about broader implications of the increasing power in the public discourse of Twitter et al.? I’m no Trump supporter but I do wonder if the tables were turned and Twitter e.g. turned Biden’s page into a wall of hidden tweets because of something it disagreed with (there are enough grievances with Big Tech from both sides). Do people think this is isolated (because Trump is, well, Trump) or…

It feels like twitter staff are (ab)using the popularity of its users to promote their own agenda. That is not right and will probably have implications about their relationship with Article 230 (which IIRC assumes "good faith"). It's not fair to other biased media, which are legally liable for what they publish.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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I’m censored on HN because I subscribe to wrongthink. @dang declared that no matter how calmly and politely I stated mainstream conservative positions, I’m an inherent flame war because the audience wants me silenced. This is here to stay. Edit: Looks like @dang beat me to a citation, but I’d invite readers to review my post history in general.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23648091

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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Interesting fact I noticed: If Biden is to take the presidency after the Electoral Collage voted that would make him the oldest president to take office yet, also interesting that wikipedia already marked Biden as president-elect [0]. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_presidents_of_the_Unit...

It looks like that page has gone back and forth a few times and is leaning toward not listing Biden yet.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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post #124

Can we have a conversation about broader implications of the increasing power in the public discourse of Twitter et al.? I’m no Trump supporter but I do wonder if the tables were turned and Twitter e.g. turned Biden’s page into a wall of hidden tweets because of something it disagreed with (there are enough grievances with Big Tech from both sides). Do people think this is isolated (because Trump is, well, Trump) or…

I think the shift to watch will be whether Trump's tactic of out-and-out lying takes deeper roots, particularly among Republicans or more broadly.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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There are a lot of curious statistics about ballot counts in a few swing states, including a record-breaking 90% turn-out in Wisconsin. https://theredelephants.com/there-is-undeniable-mathematical... (Ignore the flame-bait headline, and go right to the charts.)

The nearly 90% number is of registered voters. 72% of eligible WI voters voted in the 2020 election, which is about average, e.g. 2004 was 72.9%.

Re: Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided U.S.

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On the data nerd side I continue to be shocked at how people misinterpret the certainty of polls/forecasts. Forecasts give us probability distributions based on historical polling error data. Not infallible predictions the expected value will 100% happen. It’s fairly revealing of society’s general innumeracy, just as it was 4 years ago when Trump won.

But the polls then and now weren’t just bad, they were shockingly bad and not representative of any real population that matters in an election. I’d expect something like this from junior engineers looking at metrics for the first time, but these are supposedly the most respective organizations in their field that have failed spectacularly for the second presidential election in a row. What value do they possibly ser…

I really have no idea where this idea that the polls failed comes from. There were only two bad calls this cycle and every other outcome was within the margin of error. It was pretty much the same case in 2016 where people who had no idea what they were talking about suddenly decided they were certain polling failed because they are unable to grasp the concept of margin of error and sample size.

Polls can only guess about turnout and the try to work backwards from there. The turnout estimates were wrong but not shockingly so, and as a consequence a lot of polls ended up having the result be at the far end of their margin of error. Nothing went wrong. Polling is hard. Get over this idea that you can have some sort of certainty regarding an election until we actually hold the election.

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