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Scientists say a mind-bending rhythm in the brain can act like ketamine

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There was an interesting section in Michael Pollan's book "How to Change Your Mind" about combining breathwork with drumming. It seems with the right setup that you can induce certain altered states of consciousness that are pretty equivalent to certain psychedelics. I'm definitely interested in seeing what can be done to without the aid of drugs. As someone who had some bad trips that gave me 6 months of anxiety, a…

I'm considering trying LSD soon for its therapeutic potential and am concerned about anxiety as an input and output of tripping, as it were. Would you be open to sharing your experience with me? Sorry if that's out of line.

I highly recommend The Psychedelic Experience: A Manual Based on The Tibetan Book of the Dead by Timothy Leary, Ralph Metzner and Richard Alpert.

"The authors discuss the Tibetan Book of the Dead and use the process of death and rebirth presented in it as a metaphor for the experience of ego death or depersonalization that is commonly experienced under the influence of psychedelic drugs. Similar to how the intended function of the Tibetan Book of the Dead is to be used as a guide for death and rebirth, The Psychedelic Experience is meant to be used as a guide on how to properly handle experiences of ego death while undergoing the psychedelic experience

The book discusses the various phases of ego death that can occur on psychedelics and gives specific instructions on how one should regard them and act during each of these different phases. In addition to containing more general advice for the readers on how to use psychedelics, the book also includes selections of writing presented with the intent for them to be read aloud during events where groups of people take psychedelic drugs together".*

The recommendations in the book can be adapted to work with one other individual, someone who has experience with the different possible states that might be encountered through the trip.

Your state of mind, and the surrounding environment are crucial to realizing an optimal experience. If you go into a psychedelic experience with a lot of anxiety over having a "bad trip", it can end up being a self fulfilling influence.

Following the guidance in this book requires a mindful preparation, often spread out over a few weeks. I think this level of intent is helpful in raising up the overall experience.

"This manual is divided into four parts. The first part is introductory. The second is a step-by-step description of a psychedelic experience based directly on the Tibetan Book of the Dead. The third part contains practical suggestions on how to prepare for and conduct a psychedelic session.

The fourth part contains instructive passages adapted from the Bardo Thodol, which may be read to the voyager during this session, to facilitate the movement of consciousness."

Here’s an audio recording of the authors reading from the book:

https://youtu.be/JhgJsg2mMeQ

The book is available as a free pdf on Timothy Leary's website:

http://www.leary.ru/download/leary/Timothy%20Leary%20-%20The...

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This has turned into a music recommendation thread, apparently. From a different side of the world, Wardruna has a few 'trancey' tracks; here's one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F67VZblDrQg

Heilung as as well, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CvBSnzSz-o

Argh, Youtube is infested with ads these days: even after uBO has cut 200+ requests, youtube is still unusable.

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Whenever I leave the house in winter in South America, I say con chaqueta mina. This means, 'grab your coat, girl' but it also sounds like ketamine concha, literally shell but meaning vulva. The mind-bending rhythm probably aspires to be tango, but is actually more like cuarteto cordobés, Chilean reggaeton or worse.

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Brazilian Candomblé ritual music may have the same effect. For those who want to try: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0ZBZI5pSOg

interesting you bring this up as it shares many roots with the Afro-Cuban diasporic music associated with bata drumming

Yeah they are both rooted in the music brought by the African diaspora. You will find this all throughout Central and Latin America, although with some variations in rhythms and instruments used.

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There was an interesting section in Michael Pollan's book "How to Change Your Mind" about combining breathwork with drumming. It seems with the right setup that you can induce certain altered states of consciousness that are pretty equivalent to certain psychedelics. I'm definitely interested in seeing what can be done to without the aid of drugs. As someone who had some bad trips that gave me 6 months of anxiety, a…

I've found there are certain Tool songs (46 & 2, Lateralus) that it's not a good idea to listen to when doing something that requires focus (like riding my motorcycle), they make me get lost and zone out far faster. On the other hand when trying to calm my mind after a busy day there is nothing better.

I read this comment whilst listening to Forty Six & 2 thinking the exact same thing!

In fact, that's often why I listen to Tool!

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Probably new regulations.

It became much harder to find the psychoactive stuff once they were classified as Schedule 1 rhythms.

That would be a great name for a band.

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There was an interesting section in Michael Pollan's book "How to Change Your Mind" about combining breathwork with drumming. It seems with the right setup that you can induce certain altered states of consciousness that are pretty equivalent to certain psychedelics. I'm definitely interested in seeing what can be done to without the aid of drugs. As someone who had some bad trips that gave me 6 months of anxiety, a…

I'm considering trying LSD soon for its therapeutic potential and am concerned about anxiety as an input and output of tripping, as it were. Would you be open to sharing your experience with me? Sorry if that's out of line.

Start low, first dose should probably be not over 100ug, if you have anxiety you should go for more like 75 (maybe 50). After having experience with that state of mind you can go higher. (Wait at least for 2 weeks between doses)

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From an old documentary I watched early '00s (no idea what it was called), there was a musician that claimed music with a BPM between 135-140BPM and a 16th note bass line was in a frequency range that made it very easy for the human brain to sync up to it. Something about being very close to the Theta wave (or which ever brain wave, it's been a long time since I've seen it). This would result in a dance floor full of…

I too have heard this but looking at brain waves on wikipedia: Delta wave – (0.5 – 3 Hz) Theta wave – (4 – 7 Hz) Alpha wave – (7 – 15 Hz) Mu wave – (7.5 – 12.5 Hz) SMR wave – (12.5 – 15.5 Hz) Beta wave – (15 – 30 Hz) Gamma wave – (>30 Hz) Based on the wide frequency range on any of those it's hard to justify a range as tight as 135-140BPM, "137 heaven" notwithstanding There's definitely some interesting cognitive sci…

Look into hemisync/holosync/binaural beats. They create a beat in the music by pulsing a tiny delay between left and right channel. That pulse was shown to bring the brain wave frequence in sync with itself. I find the effect easy to discern when listening in a way where the two channels are clearly separated (as when via headphones).

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I’ve been experimenting with this myself and this video https://youtu.be/BwqH7l9xSgo along with some breathwork does seem to work.

can you describe this "breathework"? So we can determine if mild asphyxia can be ruled out.

I advice people to take it slow and stop if uncomfortable. Whether it’s involved or not it works.

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It would be great if you could link to a recording that you think could induce this state, given that you’re an expert in this field! If I’m left to search on my own I’m not sure I’ll find the correct recording.

Try this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxboZrFcvRo& Give it your entire attention.

Interesting music with a few novel techniques (a rarity in modern music), but it hardly has any physiological effects.
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