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The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by colejohnson66 »

gexla wrote: post #135
solutron wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are the people who say "respect the role" now the same ones that said Obama was a secret Kenyan that ran a human-trafficking ring in a pizza parlor though? Not trolling, this is a serious question because I don't think we all realize yet just how gaslit and completely bonkers every crevasse of discourse is after years of Trumpian propaganda and reactionary media.

> now the same ones that said Obama was a secret Kenyan that ran a human-trafficking ring in a pizza parlor though? I have never heard this. Apparently we get our news from different sources. Did I miss anything, or are my filters working properly? The military has rules of professional conduct which help establish a non-toxic culture. "Respect the role" flows from that. When you're given orders, you're not going to…

“Pizzagate”[0] was what it was called. And people still believe it. Never mind the fact that there’s literally no basement in the parlor.

[0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by [deleted] »

teawrecks wrote: post #117
barnesto wrote: post #95

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Unbiased news sources don't exist in today's world. It's up to you and your critical thinking to digest all this bs and come up with your own conclusions. What I'm saying is journalism shouldn't be about convincing you or reinforcing a point of view. It's about presenting facts without bias to let the consumer make up their own mind. That doesn't exist in today's over-charged political environment, which is a whole o…

The press has always been biased, I don't know why you're acting like this is a recent development.

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Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by TheGrim-888 »

Whatever the actual situation is, and whether it's good or bad, this is the absolute worst form of journalism. It just screams bias; the author injects their own political opinions, they tell the reader what to feel and believe, they twist words and exaggerate in order to sell their political message, it pulls the usual tricks around trying to imply that Trump was directly responsible, and that you should hate Trump like the writer does - this is the complete opposite of any sort of respectable impartial journalism, it's a blatant political hit piece.

In my mind this type of journalism, this article itself, is one of the biggest threads to our country, it's so ironic. Note that I'm not saying we shouldn't have freedom of speech, or that they shouldn't be able to write what they want. I'm just saying it's possible to write horrible, damaging, biased, political hit pieces, and that is what this is.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by colejohnson66 »

liability wrote: post #89
Finnucane wrote: post #71

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It’s true that Obama was pretty agressive about prosecuting whistleblowers, but it also true that no president in modern times before the Donald has called the press ‘the enemy of the people’ and calls every criticism of him ‘fake news’.

Free speech is a two-way street. Journalists are allowed to criticize politicians, but for the same reason politicians are allowed to criticize journalists. The government prosecuting journalists concerns me more than the government criticizing journalists, though both are concerning. Thankfully Trump is too impotent to make good on most of his juvenile threats, or we'd definitely be in trouble. More than Trump, I fe…

I agree he’s mostly empty threats. After all, he’s threatened to revoke social media platforms’ Section 230 protection since before he took office. But when Twitter had the audacity to fact check him, he attempted to make good on his word with an executive order.

He thinks he can do a lot more than he can, but we still should be fighting back.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by liability »

ihumanable wrote: post #138
liability wrote: post #131

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> First, Republicans act as a largely cohesive block that requires less coalition building. Does it require less coalition building, or are they just better at it? It never made much sense to me that a pro-choice/drugs/guns/prostitution libertarian from Nevada would vote for the same team as the social conservative corn farmer from Nebraska who wants to implement a Christian theocracy, yet when push comes to shove th…

There are a number of theories that could explain this. Broadly speaking, small-c conservatism, hold the following central tenets "...tradition, organic society, hierarchy, authority, and property rights." ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism , I know this is a wikipedia link, it is sourced to an actual text which doesn't appear to be online and so is not conducive to hyperlinking). It could be that their pre…

These are fair points and food for thought. It still seems to me that the DNC platform tends to be more coherent/consistent. The RNC platform seems frequently 'schizophrenic' in comparison, but their voters seem willing to overlook or ignore various things other members of their party are saying. In other words, the christian theocrats pretend the libertarians don't exist, and vice versa. Or those that want to cut government funding ignore those who want a hundred new aircraft carriers.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by kadoban »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #141
gexla wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> now the same ones that said Obama was a secret Kenyan that ran a human-trafficking ring in a pizza parlor though? I have never heard this. Apparently we get our news from different sources. Did I miss anything, or are my filters working properly? The military has rules of professional conduct which help establish a non-toxic culture. "Respect the role" flows from that. When you're given orders, you're not going to…

“Pizzagate”[0] was what it was called. And people still believe it. Never mind the fact that there’s literally no basement in the parlor. [0]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory

Also the "birther" conspiracy theory famously extensively spread and popularized, for years, by Trump and his family and campaign.

The pizzagate thing is related to QAnon as well, something of a prototype of it.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by disown »

Finnucane wrote: post #27

"Stars and Stripes embodies that most American of values: the right to speak truth to power." Which is the last the thing current administration wants anyone to be able to do.

Stars and Stripes is a government ( DoD ) newspaper. How does it speak truth to power when it is a pentagon run entity?

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by [deleted] »

krick wrote: post #125

The link is the usual... stuff, so it's obvious why I cannot treat seriously any words of this "opinion contributor". So I don't have anything better than to ask HN: for those unaware of the situation, what can be considered the real reason to shut down this newspaper? It seems like unusual thing to do, and considering the circumstances will surely cause some discontent (and, what's more importantly, if I'm not mista…

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Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by srtjstjsj »

Bud wrote: post #68
valuearb wrote: post #51

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The “average” American doesn’t pay federal income taxes. Only 47% do.

I'm not sure you are parsing what "average" means.

"average" usually means "mode" or "median" when used as "average person". The meaning can be inferred from context or clarified.

"Mean" is almost never correct for distributions that aren't near uniform, and never correct for distributions that aren't even near normal and not near symmetric.

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