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Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by dak1 » Fri, Sep 04, 2020, 5:25 PM UTC

barnesto wrote: post #75

Finnucane wrote: post #27

"Stars and Stripes embodies that most American of values: the right to speak truth to power." Which is the last the thing current administration wants anyone to be able to do.

Said the poster who mostly likely never served a day in the military or read one word from S&S. I've done both. More than once, actually. Both the Military Times and S&S suffer from the same bias as MSM. One down, potentially, and one to go in my mind. I also don't think taxpayer money should be going to VOA or PBS or NPR for the very same reasons. And don't think most of the military doesn't feel the same way. Most…

What right do you have to determine who is allowed to have an opinion, and why is serving a precondition?

I did serve, I've done time overseas including in Iraq, but I did not do so out of some distorted sense that it made my citizenship or opinion somehow more valuable than any others.

I served to protect and defend the rights of every person under the Constitution. Suggesting that somebody's speech be curtailed or ignored because they did not is frankly antithetical to the oath we took.

And frankly, it's not surprising to me that somebody who so callously disregards one aspect of the 1st Amendment would treat the rest of it with the same level of disdain.

But I'm certainly not going to allow you to attribute an opinion to most who serve without standing up as a counter example.

I appreciated The Military Times and S&S when I was overseas, and I know many other service men and women who did as well.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by 24gttghh » Fri, Sep 04, 2020, 5:26 PM UTC

barnesto wrote: post #75

Finnucane wrote: post #27

"Stars and Stripes embodies that most American of values: the right to speak truth to power." Which is the last the thing current administration wants anyone to be able to do.

Said the poster who mostly likely never served a day in the military or read one word from S&S. I've done both. More than once, actually. Both the Military Times and S&S suffer from the same bias as MSM. One down, potentially, and one to go in my mind. I also don't think taxpayer money should be going to VOA or PBS or NPR for the very same reasons. And don't think most of the military doesn't feel the same way. Most…

NPR gets 1% of it's funding directly from the Feds:

https://www.npr.org/about-npr/178660742/public-radio-finance...

Local PBS radio stations do get more funding through the CPB (corporation for public broadcasting), but that seems to be only about 12% from local/state/federal sources.

The CPB itself seems to get about $450 million a year from Congressional apportionment.

https://www.cpb.org/appropriation/history

However, most of the funding PBS/NPR gets are from private and corporate donations.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by ars » Fri, Sep 04, 2020, 5:27 PM UTC

martythemaniak wrote: post #14

It seems there's a very simple reason. https://www.stripes.com/news/us/trump-denies-reports-that-he... A few days ago they also ran a story about a poll showing Trump lagging Biden among the military.

Are you seriously implying Trump has a time machine?

This memo happened before the story you linked.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by hackyhacky » Fri, Sep 04, 2020, 5:28 PM UTC

barnesto wrote: post #107

hackyhacky wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree: bias is part of human nature, and cannot be fully removed from news. Given that, what's wrong with Stars & Stripes? Also, I think GP question was pretty reasonable. Why are you trying to infer an "agenda"? It makes you look unreasonable. Everyone has their own opinion. It's not a leading question.

What "agenda" would that be? All I said was S&S is biased in my opinion... after having read the periodical on the regular for the last 32 years. Based on your other questions, I don't think it's me coming off as unreasonable. Your mileage will vary, obviously.

When you accused GP of using a "leading question," when he asked your where you get your news, it sounds like you cynically interpret any question as an attack. You can tell me which agenda you're assuming on the part of your interlocutor.

And I've asked you a few times for evidence of bias in S&S. I understand that it's your opinion that S&S is biased, but surely that opinion was formed on the basis of evidence.... right?

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by gumby » Fri, Sep 04, 2020, 5:34 PM UTC

barnesto wrote: post #93

paulgb wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for your service. Out of curiosity, where do you get your news?

Out of curiosity? Sounds like you've got your own opinion. A leading question is what they call that, lol. I get my news from MSM, social, and a host of blogs and YouTube channels. Just like everyone else, I imagine. Only difference is I don't limit my sources by their viewpoint or bias. It's rare you find any source of news/information that's not slanted in one way or another. Knowing what everyone has to say about…

> Only difference is I don't limit my sources by their viewpoint or bias.

Difference from whom? Do you think most people do this or were you speaking specifically to the person whose comment you were responding to?

Every article, and in fact every utterance, is inherently biased, if for no other reason than your choice of word of what you leave out to make a point, is itself a choice.

The telegraph and subsequent rise of news bureaux (first Reuter’s, then UPI and AP in the us) lead to a theory of “neutral” news in the hope of increasing the customer base (sell to more newspapers of all leanings) but it’s still inherently biased on its foundations.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by solutron » Fri, Sep 04, 2020, 5:37 PM UTC

gexla wrote: post #105

barnesto wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Said the poster who mostly likely never served a day in the military or read one word from S&S. I've done both. More than once, actually. Both the Military Times and S&S suffer from the same bias as MSM. One down, potentially, and one to go in my mind. I also don't think taxpayer money should be going to VOA or PBS or NPR for the very same reasons. And don't think most of the military doesn't feel the same way. Most…

> But orange man bad, I get it. An interesting perspective that people in the military have that civilians don't is that the president is also the commander in chief. Even if you don't respect the person, you still respect the role. And this is someone who can send you to war. You can't get any more serious of a link.

Are the people who say "respect the role" now the same ones that said Obama was a secret Kenyan that ran a human-trafficking ring in a pizza parlor though? Not trolling, this is a serious question because I don't think we all realize yet just how gaslit and completely bonkers every crevasse of discourse is after years of Trumpian propaganda and reactionary media.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by teawrecks » Fri, Sep 04, 2020, 5:37 PM UTC

barnesto wrote: post #95

oa335 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would you consider an unbiased/bs-free source of news? Or where do you prefer to get your news from?

Unbiased news sources don't exist in today's world. It's up to you and your critical thinking to digest all this bs and come up with your own conclusions. What I'm saying is journalism shouldn't be about convincing you or reinforcing a point of view. It's about presenting facts without bias to let the consumer make up their own mind. That doesn't exist in today's over-charged political environment, which is a whole o…

The press has always been biased, I don't know why you're acting like this is a recent development.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by hackyhacky » Fri, Sep 04, 2020, 5:41 PM UTC

solutron wrote: post #116

gexla wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But orange man bad, I get it. An interesting perspective that people in the military have that civilians don't is that the president is also the commander in chief. Even if you don't respect the person, you still respect the role. And this is someone who can send you to war. You can't get any more serious of a link.

Are the people who say "respect the role" now the same ones that said Obama was a secret Kenyan that ran a human-trafficking ring in a pizza parlor though? Not trolling, this is a serious question because I don't think we all realize yet just how gaslit and completely bonkers every crevasse of discourse is after years of Trumpian propaganda and reactionary media.

They didn't just say that Obama WAS a secret Kenyan that RAN a human-trafficking ring in a pizza parlor. They are still saying it.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by cagenut » Fri, Sep 04, 2020, 5:42 PM UTC

paulmd wrote: post #91

glitcher wrote: post #62

One thing I've always wondered about when it comes to the temporary nature of US presidential terms and their respective administrations - why does it seem like it's so much easier to dismantle things than to create them in the first place? Especially for things that took a substantial amount of time and effort to build, shouldn't we require much more scrutiny before considering an action that effectively dismantles/…

> why does it seem like it's so much easier to dismantle things than to create them in the first place? it's because it's incredibly difficult to get anything passed, the US legislative system has too many checks and balances. Every "check and balance" is another group that has to reach consensus for a proposed action and another point for an adversarial opponent to grind everything to a halt. I contend that it is be…

goddamn i was nodding along with you, hovering over the upvote waiting to click when I finished, and then bam monarchism out of nowhere.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by throwawaymanbot » Fri, Sep 04, 2020, 5:42 PM UTC

gexla wrote: post #105

barnesto wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Said the poster who mostly likely never served a day in the military or read one word from S&S. I've done both. More than once, actually. Both the Military Times and S&S suffer from the same bias as MSM. One down, potentially, and one to go in my mind. I also don't think taxpayer money should be going to VOA or PBS or NPR for the very same reasons. And don't think most of the military doesn't feel the same way. Most…

> But orange man bad, I get it. An interesting perspective that people in the military have that civilians don't is that the president is also the commander in chief. Even if you don't respect the person, you still respect the role. And this is someone who can send you to war. You can't get any more serious of a link.

He has debased the role beyond all recognition. And many in his own Political party and administration have as well. Its hypocritical/laughable to make people respect his role, when all the above dont.