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Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by herval »

NoOneNew wrote: post #136

I have a feeling this is going to end up similar to the "open office" fad. Lots of companies are going to go 100% on "forever work from home". Then in a year it's going to be not so much. That being said, I do believe "work from home" will become more of an option and far less frowned upon by employers. Then again, this is a white-collar problem. Blue collar and a few other industries still have to go to work. But wh…

The open office “fad” is pretty much the only office arrangement for more than a decade now, so what you’re saying is this will be the de facto going forward?

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by ghaff »

m0zg wrote: post #91

Trouble is, it only works if everyone is remote or everyone is in the office. "Piecemeal" situation does not work - remote people will be left out, and disadvantaged in terms of their career progression. So if they are serious about remote, they should commit to being remote only. Yes, some people won't like it, at least initially. But most of them will get used to it over time, same as they got used to the ridiculou…

>Trouble is, it only works if everyone is remote or everyone is in the office. "Piecemeal" situation does not work

Piecemeal is more difficult but it's basically what my company was pre-COVID and presumably will be again (with probably a lot more remote) posy-COVID. It does mean the people who are co-located need to have the discipline to treat decision-making, etc. as if everyone is remote.

It probably helps that we're a somewhat larger company so most things are piecemeal anyway--people working together are in multiple offices even if they're not working at home.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by JMTQp8lwXL »

amrrs wrote: post #38
dominotw wrote: post #15

uber laidoff american staff and is hiring in India[1]. This is not an exception, just a sign of things to come. If you do ordinary CRUD coding at work in USA, I would seriously start looking at how to pivot out of that job. 1. https://www.businessinsider.com/uber-india-south-asia-stipen...

Uber also had fired a bunch of people from India. (I'm from India). But I was in complete shock when they started hiring again just a month after firing so many people. I think using the pandemic as a scapegoat they got to clean up some highly paid resources and recruit new ones bargaining (given pandemic those who looked for job didn't have much to ask for). I guess there must be some government regulatory body look…

Isn't new talent more expensive than existing talent? If you've had employees that for years have been getting inadequate COL adjustments, they're cheaper to keep than getting market-rate talent.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by gaadd33 »

NoOneNew wrote: post #136

I have a feeling this is going to end up similar to the "open office" fad. Lots of companies are going to go 100% on "forever work from home". Then in a year it's going to be not so much. That being said, I do believe "work from home" will become more of an option and far less frowned upon by employers. Then again, this is a white-collar problem. Blue collar and a few other industries still have to go to work. But wh…

Where has the "open office" fad ended? It seems like companies say it's a great idea even when presented with evidence to the contrary and they never back down or reverse course

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by colordrops »

daenz wrote: post #100

Anyone else suspect we are going to see a massive deflation of cities?

If self driving cars ever actually work, coupled with ubiquitous remote work, it seems to me that the major disincentives for living far away from the urban center are mostly gone.

If you can sleep or working during your two hour automated commute, it would be a game changer.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by james412 »

errantspark wrote: post #46

The first thing that went through my head when I saw this headline was: "Huh, maybe I should send them a resume." I'm hype if this trend continues.

You'd honestly work for the folk responsible for the BitBucket redesign, or the 6 billion lines of dynamic JS loaded for every Jira page?

I'd sooner work the curb while living in a coal bunker

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by tnorthcutt »

NoOneNew wrote: post #136

I have a feeling this is going to end up similar to the "open office" fad. Lots of companies are going to go 100% on "forever work from home". Then in a year it's going to be not so much. That being said, I do believe "work from home" will become more of an option and far less frowned upon by employers. Then again, this is a white-collar problem. Blue collar and a few other industries still have to go to work. But wh…

If all of the white collar workers who are able to work from home and limit exposure to and spread of covid-19, doesn't that help everyone else who can't work from home?

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by dbish »

herval wrote: post #141
NoOneNew wrote: post #136

I have a feeling this is going to end up similar to the "open office" fad. Lots of companies are going to go 100% on "forever work from home". Then in a year it's going to be not so much. That being said, I do believe "work from home" will become more of an option and far less frowned upon by employers. Then again, this is a white-collar problem. Blue collar and a few other industries still have to go to work. But wh…

The open office “fad” is pretty much the only office arrangement for more than a decade now, so what you’re saying is this will be the de facto going forward?

De-facto, but actually counter to productivity, just like open-office. Companies that choose to not do this, will have a per employee efficiency advantage. Big companies may not care just like in open office because the per employee advantage is outweighed by the ability to reduce costs for the space

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Post by ghaff »

d357r0y3r wrote: post #21
watertrash wrote: post #11

The article mentions that this will allow the company to recruit from areas where pay is much lower than the Bay Area, but I wonder if this will affect the pay of current workers.

Right away? No, not in most cases. For future hires, how could it not? If high COL located companies starting going fully remote, it's a huge opportunity for workers in medium or low COL. For workers still determined to live in a high COL, it will absolutely put downward pressure on their salary. Their labor market is being exposed to a lot of competition that wasn't there before. I think if this trend of going fully…

And if people can increasingly work anywhere in some number of different timezones--and the same is true of most of your competition--what justifies paying a premium because some people want to live in Manhattan or SF any more than because they want to live in an expensive beach or mountain community.

Re: Atlassian tells employees they can work from home forever

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Post by jay_kyburz »

NoOneNew wrote: post #136

I have a feeling this is going to end up similar to the "open office" fad. Lots of companies are going to go 100% on "forever work from home". Then in a year it's going to be not so much. That being said, I do believe "work from home" will become more of an option and far less frowned upon by employers. Then again, this is a white-collar problem. Blue collar and a few other industries still have to go to work. But wh…

I think there is a massive business opportunity for somebody to develop a system that will help big businesses turn cube farms into bubble farms, where every employee has an airtight box to sit in with their own air supply, filters, and exhaust.

Perhaps even some kind of comfortable spacesuit you can just live in all day will help the blue collar workers.

I'm only half joking. I would like to think there will be a strong push for a much more hygienic society in the future. A corona vaccine will never completely solve the problem, and who wants to even get a traditional flu. I suspect these social distancing measures are just how we live now.

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