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Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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Super big fan.

I had Lenovo's with Linux for the past 20 years.

My 7yo T440p is still working very well and my son is using that one now.

The brand new X1E Gen2 works flawlessly on Linux.

Granted, I'm using Fedora, not Ubuntu. Fedora tends to be bleeding edge, even for the X1E Gen2 all I had to do is install Fedora from the LiveCD (I'm using the KDE spin) and it just works. (this laptop still came with Windows only, so I deleted that and install Fedora)

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My experience running Fedora Linux on a Thinkpad P1 Gen 2: It's mostly very good! - I'm running Fedora 32 and using Gnome. I love it. Gnome continues to improve a lot with each release, and overall the operating system feels very stable. I can't think of the last time I saw any error. - This machine doesn't have great battery life regardless of what OS you are running, but after properly configuring the GPU, battery…

>This machine doesn't have great battery life regardless of what OS you are running, but after properly configuring the GPU, battery life on linux is on par with Windows if not a bit better. I've also undervolted the cpu, which is easy to do and provides even better batter life.

You can gain a couple of minutes using a WM instead of a full fledged DE

>Docker is still a pain to set up on 32. There's no docker-ce repo, but you can install from the Fedora 31 repos, and to get it to work some system and firewall configuration is required. This is all pretty well documented in a github issue now, but it took a lot of troubleshooting at first.

My solution to this was to use podman[0] instead.

0: https://podman.io/whatis.html

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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Has Wayland figured out how to allow users to take screenshots? I would like to switch to Linux/Wayland from my mac but I need to share screenshots with co-workers.

You can take screenshots under Wayland, you just can not use random X11 tool that you were used to. All Wayland compositors come with some tool, that can take screenshots.

The real issue is the clipboard which gets cleaned after closing the Window from where you copied.

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I have a Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga that claims to be certified by both Lenovo and Canonical for Ubuntu. Finger print sensor doesn't work, the fans are super loud all the time, audio doesn't work (requires a newer Linux kernel than the one shipped in the latest Ubuntu), EFI problems, sleep, hibernate, fast-boot, restore from hibernate problems, battery life on Linux is horrible... So at least the certification for Ubuntu i…

> If you want to buy a Linux laptop, avoid Lenovo like the plague. They have absolutely zero quality assurance for Linux.

I had the exact opposite experience. Perhaps it's a Unbuntu thing, hard to know, I use Fedora, or perhaps it's the Yoga...

In 2004 I got a T42, installed Fedora on it, it just worked.

In 2013 I got a T440p, installed Fedora, just worked. That Laptop is still in use, btw.

This year I got a X1 Extreme Gen2 (stupid name), installed the Fedora KDE spin, just works.

Sleep, etc, works, battery is life is really, the graphics card (internal and dedicated with the Nvidia drivers) work, etc, etc. So I am truly surprised by your experience.

I did a lot of research before, and these are the best Linux laptops that I could find (besides the "open" laptops like System76, etc).

The again, I am an engineer, so perhaps what I do in terms of setup comes easy to me without me noticing the complexity.

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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I have a ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen7. In general, I have never been happier with the performance and haptics of a laptop. However, I haven't managed to get the fingerprint sensor to work, which is mostly because the relevant driver hasn't been merged into fprint. I was actually suprised when I discovered fprintd doesn't work on the X1. From the reputation ThinkPads have amonst Linuxers, I was sort of naively assuming it…

And that's why I always check the ArchWiki before buying a computer

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I have a Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga that claims to be certified by both Lenovo and Canonical for Ubuntu. Finger print sensor doesn't work, the fans are super loud all the time, audio doesn't work (requires a newer Linux kernel than the one shipped in the latest Ubuntu), EFI problems, sleep, hibernate, fast-boot, restore from hibernate problems, battery life on Linux is horrible... So at least the certification for Ubuntu i…

For new hardware Ubuntu isn't exactly the distribution I would recommend. You may have a better chance trying a distro like Fedora or Arch. Speaking from my personal experience I have a X1 Yoga 1st gen and installed then updated Fedora from 29 to 31 it's a pretty much hassle-free process (apart from the fingerprint, which never worked in the first place and I don't use it anyway), I postpone the update from 31 to 32…

This is my experience. I don't get the fascination with Ubuntu. Whenever I hear about something that doesn't work it's always Ubuntu. That could be confirmation bias though. From my perspective it's old & busted vs Fedora's hot & sexy, using more up to date software revs everywhere you look. It's low maintenance (unlike Manjaro/Arch) yet still fresh. You have a choice of desktops, or no desktop at all. There is Fedora Server available. Everything feels more modern and advanced. There is clearly a huge amount of work put into producing Fedora yet it has less users. I don't get the Ubuntu craze. Is it just peer pressure? Am I antisocial if I prefer Fedora to Ubuntu? What am I missing here?

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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>>If you want to buy a Linux laptop, avoid Lenovo like the plague. They have absolutely zero quality assurance for Linux. Isn't this a bit too harsh on them? We've had good experiences on T and L series. I am using L470 with fedora 27 for the last 2 years and I have not had any issues so far. I have gone till 78 days without a shutdown. It's been more stable than windows on suspend to ram cycles. I did have issues wi…

I've had mixed experiences in this regard. Thinkpads from the T and X series (don't know about Yoga, P or L) are really great, usually work out of the box and if there is broken hardware you are visited tomorrow by a nice guy from IBM (yes, really!) who fixes things without complaining about the weird OS you are running (of course you should be able to test that the new component works somehow). Non-Thinkpad laptops…

You have a pay a premium for that next-day, on-site warranty. But it's worth it.

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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For new hardware Ubuntu isn't exactly the distribution I would recommend. You may have a better chance trying a distro like Fedora or Arch. Speaking from my personal experience I have a X1 Yoga 1st gen and installed then updated Fedora from 29 to 31 it's a pretty much hassle-free process (apart from the fingerprint, which never worked in the first place and I don't use it anyway), I postpone the update from 31 to 32…

This is my experience. I don't get the fascination with Ubuntu. Whenever I hear about something that doesn't work it's always Ubuntu. That could be confirmation bias though. From my perspective it's old & busted vs Fedora's hot & sexy, using more up to date software revs everywhere you look. It's low maintenance (unlike Manjaro/Arch) yet still fresh. You have a choice of desktops, or no desktop at all. There is Fedor…

I never got it either, outside of possibly just the momentum of having a relatively easy to install Linux distribution early on.

Rather than Fedora, though, I opted to run Debian sid. I get all the up to date fresh-from-the-oven software packages I care about, can pilfer from external Ubuntu apt repos if I need to, without having to clear out any of the garish brown and sponsored Ubuntu junk, and it's fairly easy to install and maintain. Despite being the permanently unstable branch, it's never really meaningfully broken on me.

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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>>If you want to buy a Linux laptop, avoid Lenovo like the plague. They have absolutely zero quality assurance for Linux. Isn't this a bit too harsh on them? We've had good experiences on T and L series. I am using L470 with fedora 27 for the last 2 years and I have not had any issues so far. I have gone till 78 days without a shutdown. It's been more stable than windows on suspend to ram cycles. I did have issues wi…

I've had mixed experiences in this regard. Thinkpads from the T and X series (don't know about Yoga, P or L) are really great, usually work out of the box and if there is broken hardware you are visited tomorrow by a nice guy from IBM (yes, really!) who fixes things without complaining about the weird OS you are running (of course you should be able to test that the new component works somehow). Non-Thinkpad laptops…

> by a nice guy from IBM (yes, really!)

Why IBM? IBM sold Lenovo to China years ago, does IBM still handle support for Lenovo in your country?

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I run Arch Linux on mine, with the latest kernel, and custom tools (think fan), and some things disabled (fast boot), and it becomes "usable". That's ok for any Laptop that isn't advertised as "Ubuntu certified". But I literally had to uninstall Ubuntu and install Arch to get audio and microphone back to work after the 19.04 update broke it, and some dev mentioning on the bug report that the fix wouldn't land on 20.0…

That’s probably not what people want to hear but I learned over the years that it’s best to stay one LTS version behind on Ubuntu. I’m running 18.04 and won’t upgrade to 20.04 until next year because Ubuntu always has bugs 6–9 months after release. Also, MS and Apple charge for their software. Linux OS are free. That doesn’t absolve Lenovo from selling “certified” laptops that aren’t compatible though. I also find th…

> Also, MS and Apple charge for their software. Linux OS are free.

I paid ~2k$ for a Lenovo Laptop certified for Ubuntu. I don't really see the difference between doing that and paying 2k$ for an Apple laptop that's certified for MacOS (which i've upgraded for 8 years for free), or some other laptop certified for windows.

Except for the obvious difference that the Lenovo Laptop does not work with Ubuntu as promised.

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