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Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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Dirty hack, like bumblebee? Well since driver 440.44 this kind of thing is incooperated into the nvidia driver itself. You can use it on demand. It idles at around 1w and is used for some physics and other decoding capabilities if i recall correctly. If you want to run a game or an app using nvidia you prepend it with an environment variable, otherwise intel gfx is used. It's not dirty, and works quite well imho... T…

(ne plus ultra: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ne%20plus%20ultra )

I really meant non-plus-ultra which we use in germany.I thought it's universal among language families.

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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Dirty hack, like bumblebee? Well since driver 440.44 this kind of thing is incooperated into the nvidia driver itself. You can use it on demand. It idles at around 1w and is used for some physics and other decoding capabilities if i recall correctly. If you want to run a game or an app using nvidia you prepend it with an environment variable, otherwise intel gfx is used. It's not dirty, and works quite well imho... T…

> to have the nvidia card kick in triggered by the OS somehow when really needed would be the non-plus ultra, but come on, this is science fiction Can't smth simple & obvious like the macbook pro GPUs work fine, eg. Intel graphics for everything when on battery, dedicated graphics for everything when the power cable is plugged in? This covers like, everyones uses cases, right?! I mean, you almost never plug into an e…

Actually the MBP is a poor example imho. If your dGPU dies, like it used to in the past and needed resoldering by a specialized shop or replacement of the whole logic board, you lose your external monitor capabilities. Maybe they improved that situation nowadays.

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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ThinkPads, at least the mainstream models, certainly have always worked very well with Linux thanks to the great ThinkPad community who is really passionate about this. I've picked up a cheaper Ryzen E495 in retail a couple months ago because I needed a new notebook asap, and it works flawlessly with Ubuntu 19/20. Better first-party support (like Dell has had for many years now) had been promised for quite a while, s…

Can you tell me the model of the Thinkpad that you are using. I am looking to buy one.

Thinkpad E495 with Ryzen/Vega 3500. Not sure it's still available because it should've been superseeded by the newer Ryzen/Vega 4000 chipset by now? Be sure to put in a 2nd memory stick to not slow it down (see the review on notebookcheck why), and also to have at least 16GB RAM.

Edit: I picked mine because it was on stock for take-away (there isn't usually a choice of "pro" notebooks with matte screens in retail); for the same kind of money, you could get better value I think; I had hoped for a little more performance for sure (but it's still a solid workhorse)

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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This makes sense. The amount of fine tuning I had to do for my X1 7th generation with Ubuntu 19.10 was almost unbearable. Sound still is not working properly, the internal mic is still not working at all.

My T480s had 0 issues with Debian 10. It doesn't have a fingerprint reader which I hear is a main bug a boo with Thinkpads.

There are multiple issues with X1s on 19.10:

- Fingerprint reader - Sound - Microphone

I'll see what 20.04 can help with.

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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I have a Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga that claims to be certified by both Lenovo and Canonical for Ubuntu. Finger print sensor doesn't work, the fans are super loud all the time, audio doesn't work (requires a newer Linux kernel than the one shipped in the latest Ubuntu), EFI problems, sleep, hibernate, fast-boot, restore from hibernate problems, battery life on Linux is horrible... So at least the certification for Ubuntu i…

I have a new X1 Carbon 7th gen, and it was definitely a lot of work to get it set up. But after tinkering and some kernel updates (Fedora >> Ubuntu for new hardware) I couldn't be happier. Incredible performance, all day battery life, etc. I have a friend who got their finger print sensor working but I never bothered to try. I also have had great experience with fwup. I've gotten tons of bios, firmware, microcode etc…

I've also got the impression that even just slightly older hardware might be easier to get working than the very latest generation. This may be even more true for distros that don't ship new kernels in a rolling release style. (Fedora continuously updates to new minor/patch versions of the kernel as they're released; I'm not sure what Ubuntu does nowadays but I think they used to only patch the kernel version that was shipped at the time of the release.)

I think the idea of $random_component_vendor maintaining an up-to-date Linux driver themselves may be unrealistic, and laptop vendors probably won't be doing that for all of their components either. At least on Linux that tends to involve being a competent kernel developer, too, at least if you want to be the maintainer of the driver in kernel upstream.

If the OEMs that are interested in Linux support collaborated with distros and/or kernel/driver developers before the new hardware hits the shelves, even if they didn't plan on writing and supporting the drivers themselves, that might work. Otherwise there's always catching up to do, as you said.

For years now, I've also had nothing that didn't work on my now fairly old X240. Everything's pretty dandy. At some point the clickpad didn't work after resuming from suspend, though, and that was a major issue that really shouldn't happen on a laptop series that's supposed to have great Linux support.

Other than that (and the fingerprint reader initially not working even though it was supposed to be supported, but that wasn't a big deal), there's really been nothing that didn't work.

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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I have a Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga that claims to be certified by both Lenovo and Canonical for Ubuntu. Finger print sensor doesn't work, the fans are super loud all the time, audio doesn't work (requires a newer Linux kernel than the one shipped in the latest Ubuntu), EFI problems, sleep, hibernate, fast-boot, restore from hibernate problems, battery life on Linux is horrible... So at least the certification for Ubuntu i…

Interesting. Fingerprint sensor works perfectly on my T450s + Ubuntu 20.04.

Things tend to work better with slightly older hardware. The compatibility issues have already surfaced and there's been time to fix them.

There's been plenty of time to get things working since the T450s was released.

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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Yes, but note that the P1 workstations are pretty much the same as the X1 Extreme series (but with Nvidia's Quadro "workstation" GPUs rather than Nvidia's "customer" GPUs.)

All the X1's I've seen come with Intel Integrated Graphics. nvidia have always been a hassle to use.

The 14" X1 Carbon does indeed come with Intel integrated graphics, but I was specifically referring to the 15" X1 Extreme.

(Also, what pentium166 says.)

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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I have a Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga that claims to be certified by both Lenovo and Canonical for Ubuntu. Finger print sensor doesn't work, the fans are super loud all the time, audio doesn't work (requires a newer Linux kernel than the one shipped in the latest Ubuntu), EFI problems, sleep, hibernate, fast-boot, restore from hibernate problems, battery life on Linux is horrible... So at least the certification for Ubuntu i…

>>If you want to buy a Linux laptop, avoid Lenovo like the plague. They have absolutely zero quality assurance for Linux.

Isn't this a bit too harsh on them? We've had good experiences on T and L series.

I am using L470 with fedora 27 for the last 2 years and I have not had any issues so far. I have gone till 78 days without a shutdown. It's been more stable than windows on suspend to ram cycles.

I did have issues with fonts out of the box but fixing was easy. One of the advantages of using Linux is it forces you to fix the broken parts and personally it has been a very rewarding experience.

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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I have a ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen7. In general, I have never been happier with the performance and haptics of a laptop. However, I haven't managed to get the fingerprint sensor to work, which is mostly because the relevant driver hasn't been merged into fprint. I was actually suprised when I discovered fprintd doesn't work on the X1. From the reputation ThinkPads have amonst Linuxers, I was sort of naively assuming it wouldn't be an issue.

Re: Lenovo to Certify ThinkPad and ThinkStation Workstation Portfolio for Linux

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I have a Lenovo Thinkpad Yoga that claims to be certified by both Lenovo and Canonical for Ubuntu. Finger print sensor doesn't work, the fans are super loud all the time, audio doesn't work (requires a newer Linux kernel than the one shipped in the latest Ubuntu), EFI problems, sleep, hibernate, fast-boot, restore from hibernate problems, battery life on Linux is horrible... So at least the certification for Ubuntu i…

Perhaps the Yoga isn't as popular as other Lenovo models for running Linux. Still, the situation you describe sounds bad.

I bought a Linux laptop from System76 almost to years ago, and it have been a painless experience. They even manage CUDA updates fairly much hassle free. Anyway, I was tired of 25 years of futzing around with configuring Linux, so I decided on an easier path.

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