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MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

#141
I'm on a 15" MBP and I'm really missing the physical escape key (especially as a long time vim user).

I was considering the 16" MBP, but I think I'll just go ahead with my Hacking-tosh build instead! I spend 99% of my productive time at my desk. For anything on the move I'm more inclined to go "light", a 13" Air perhaps`. I was hoping iPad would cut it, but I'm afraid iPad OS is too limiting.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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What metric are you using to point to Apple's decline since Tim Cook came into the company? Product lines, revenue, customers, market cap, employees, daily client interactions, brand value, customer satisfaction?

> What metric are you using to point to Apple's decline since Tim Cook came into the company? Product lines, revenue, customers, market cap, employees, daily client interactions, brand value, customer satisfaction? Not everything can be measured, or measured practicably. Qualitative judgments are valuable. Looking at things too much through the lens of metrics can make you blind to many things.

Except the metrics are overwhelmingly in Cook's favor on this one. Monumentally in his favor.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

#143

One thing I miss about Steve Jobs is that he hated fan noise. The fact that Macs only made noise under extreme load was something that I really appreciated. I'm at a loss for what I'm going to do for my next laptop. Windows 10 still has performance issues that Macs don't have, but Windows laptops clearly have better hardware. Anyone make the switch back to Windows? (Every time I try Linux it feels like a dumpster fir…

>One thing I miss about Steve Jobs is that he hated fan noise. The fact that Macs only made noise under extreme load was something that I really appreciated.

Yes but those were the era of Mac. When Apple were trying to make Mac like an Appliance. But we dont need that anymore. We have a Fanless design that is capable of 90%+ of most consumer's work. It is called iPad.

Without Steve Jobs, the iPad didn't know where to go next.

But now the Mac is mostly a Prosumer Product. And those workloads require fan cooling. Steve just dont like the idea of a consumer product with constant fan spinning.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

#144

Been using Mac primarily since 2011 and sad to see everything keep declining with Apple's software and hardware quality. When programming an app and its backend with react native/clojure my 2015 Mac Pro gets way too hot and slow. Just built a Ryzen 3600 desktop with 32 gigs of RAM for about 1/4th the price as the cheapest 16 inch Macbook. Windows with WSL2 has been extremely good and I'm satisfied with my development…

I second this. For $2000 I built an absolute monster of a desktop PC. Super fast, never an issue and I use it for everything. I only use my MacBook when I wanna sit on the couch and that's it. Thankfully I got my laptop through work almost for free because it wouldn't have been worth the money.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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That's why I buy gaming laptops for my work needs even though I don't play games. Their heatsinks are generously sized resulting in good thermals and acoustics.

I use a similar trick: I try to find a laptop that comes in both discrete-GPU and integrated-GPU configurations, and both version must share the identical chassis. This way, when I buy the integrated version, I know the chassis has been designed with the heavier airflow of the discrete-GPU version in mind. If I'm lucky, my integrated-GPU config might even use the identical size heat-sinks as the discrete-GPU version.

Does this trick apply to the 15" MacbookPro (2015)? If so, I guess I'm in luck!

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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> A leader doesn't have to be visionary all the time Yes they do. If they're not visionary, then they're just a manager. Apple grew because of a visionary, and now it shrinks because the best a manager can do is try to maintain the status quo in the face of changing factors. It's fundamentally a losing battle.

Cook has overseen just shy of 1 trillion dollars worth of growth for Apple. They routinely have quarters larger than Apple’s entire year back in 2011.

Cook is riding on the upward trajectory that was set before he took his role. Brand image carries a lot of inertia, and as a manager rather than a visionary, cook focused on getting the most use out of that pre-set trajectory while it lasted.

It has run out of energy. If AR doesn't pay off, it's all downhill for Apple from Q4 this year onwards.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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What's disturbing is that Apple seem to be deleting posts: After attempting to be part of the solution; spending a ton of time testing, providing information in the community, communicating with Apple Engineers and Apple Business Team, our most recent post was deleted as "Speculative". We have spent over $300,000 on Apple hardware over the years both business and consumer and now our voice has been muted. How can we…

They have been doing that forever, every time people report a bad problem they'll try to cover it up for a while.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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> How can we move forward using Apple? And why should they? What's wrong with trying out something like Thinkpad X series[1] instead? Or Thinkpad P series, which can now come with Ubuntu LTS pre-installed. I wonder, if they would have invested so much time in fixing Dell's issues for Dell. Probably not. Why? Because there is no Dell's lock-in. [1] https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpad-x/c/t...

I’ll tell you one reason why you shouldn’t switch to a Lenovo laptop: their atrocious history with backdoors and buggy, vulnerable software, and the lockdown within their BIOS/UEFI to prevent things like swapping components for no good reason. Ok well, that was more than one reason, but you get the drift.

That's not true for Lenovo Thinkpads, which is a separate business division from Lenovo consumer hardware, as far as I am aware. And subsidizing consumer hardware with spyware has, unfortunately, become a standard industry practice. Most smartphone and Smart TV manufacturers are shipping their consumer devices full of bloatware that is extremely hard to get rid of.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

#149

I was planning to buy MacBook 16-inch as I am still on 2014 edition which in my view were one of the best MacBooks. I simply hate that unnecessary Touch Bar, was hoping Apple will remove it but didn’t. Thought then of getting 16-inch as they have an esc key. Waiting for this kind of review, I will put on hold purchasing it until get a clarity on fan noise. My current old MacBook fan do make some noise but only under…

And the Keyboard.

Most reviewers dont even want to touch on the topic as if Apple told them to do so. The so call new Magic Keyboard doesn't felt anywhere close to the Magic Keyboard used on iMac or iMac Pro. In fact they felt more of the same as the old butterfly, and it is awful.

I am on early 2015 ( brought it in 2017 if I remember correctly because I cant stand the MBP 2016+ ), and I pray it wont break down. It is already getting some strange lock up for no apparent reason.

I would even pay for a brand new 2015 MBP for the same price during its time in 2020.

Re: MacBook 16-inch Fan Noise (2019)

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What can I say as a person somewhat close to electronics engineering: Look at that single skinny heat pipe, it will get saturated very fast. Second to that, look at those tiny radiators, they are clearly not capable to discharge the full heat flux. I simply don't see any signs of proper thermal engineering there. Apple says "we are listening now, and here is a new cooling design," then it comes out to be even less ad…

> if anybody wants to dish out something on an order of $1.5m to do a contract manufacturing run for a properly designed full sized laptop, give me a note.

Something tells me that Apple spent more than $1.5M designing the recent MacBook Pro.

It is a bit presumptuous to say "well i could do it better" when referencing an entire team of qualified electrical engineers at one of the largest corporations in the world that has near limitless resources.

Especially coming from such a qualified background as "a person somewhat close to electronics engineering".

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