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There I fixed it for you https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...
That may indicate users googling how to exit vim.
Some are still stuck up to this day.
TextMate 2.0
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Re: TextMate 2.0
#142I have a lot of respect for Allan Odgaard. Something happened, and I don't want to speculate, that caused him to take a break from Textmate (version 2.0 was supposed to come out 9 or so years ago). Instead of abandoning the project he open sourced it and almost a decade later it is being released. Textmate is now my graphical Notepad on Mac, with VS Code being my IDE and vim my text editor. Thanks Allan.
I'm still using Text Mate almost always as a default editor. The plugin system is a selling point for me.
Re: TextMate 2.0
#143Great to hear and congratulations to the team. Amazing persistence. I used to be a huge Textmate fan - it was so revolutionary in its time. Unfortunately, I think it is too late. The Google Trends comparison of Textmate, Sublime Text and VS Code tells the story: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...
There I fixed it for you https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...
When I was starting with vim, I was searching for 'vim [something]' a lot, from plugins to configurations, trying to improve the experience. I have since switched back to Atom and now to VSCode.
I don't search 'vscode [something]' nearly as much. Most of the configuration options are explained in the interface (both the visual one and `settings.json`). I can find plugins right from the editor and that usually also includes essential information about working with the plugin.
I still use barebones vim for commit messages, and I still find myself looking for how to trigger the spelling suggestions. I never seem to recall the `z=` when I need it.
Just because something is less user-friendly and requires more knowledge or looking for help, it doesn't mean it's more popular.
The Stack Overflow developer survey is probably a more representative sample: https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019#technology-_-....
Re: TextMate 2.0
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> Textmate is now just graphical Notepad on Mac I hope no one reads that and assumes that’s all TextMate is. TextMate is the godfather of all modern “smart” GUI code editors — VSCode included.
Visual Studio released in 1997 pre-dates TextMate. There were also quite a few products based on Scintilla which came out in 1999. (And you could edit not just C++/VB/Microsoft-language files with Visual Studio back then. It was extendable to support many languages, which they did.)
Isn't Visual Studio an IDE? Something like IntelliJ IDEA?
On the other hand Visual Studio Code is just an editor, like Textmate.
Re: TextMate 2.0
#145Great to hear and congratulations to the team. Amazing persistence. I used to be a huge Textmate fan - it was so revolutionary in its time. Unfortunately, I think it is too late. The Google Trends comparison of Textmate, Sublime Text and VS Code tells the story: https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...
There I fixed it for you https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...
Re: TextMate 2.0
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Its native but cross platform so many Mac purists don’t consider it as “native” as TextMate, which is built specifically for the Mac and doesn't compromise on standard Mac UI idioms. Having said that, if they had known all the modern alternatives were going to be even less “native” amd run in a browser engine, they'd probably have been less nitpicky.
Eh, as a macOS user until recently, I found Sublime Text to be a very integrated application. Appearance and behavior was exactly as I'd expect from modern macOS applications. It may not be heavy on archaic Mac features such as AppleScript integration, but I hope we can all agree to ignore those technologies. TextMate just brings memories of the 10.4 Tiger days.
>Eh, as a macOS user until recently, I found Sublime Text to be a very integrated application. Appearance and behavior was exactly as I'd expect from modern macOS applications.
Compare the file browsers and find dialogs and the difference is night and day.
Re: TextMate 2.0
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> It is native It isn’t native in this context; As a sibling comment mentioned, OniVim2 uses revery[0], which uses it’s own widgets (not native ones) like flutter[1]. Quoting from my old comment[2]: > We really should be trying to use the native GUI toolkit (or cross-platform native UI libraries like libui), not using Flutter-esque libraries that draws everything from scratch. > Coherent UI is a very important point…
I'll adopt whatever definition you want "native" to mean for the discussion - and under your definition of native, I would say it's pretty clear that users of text editors and developer tools don't care much at all about "native"(your definition of using the platform provided widgets). Just look at the market share of developer tools and IDEs/editors that don't use stock platform widgets. They are the ones that have…
FWIW personally with "native" i mean "native widgets too, where possible". It isn't always possible and i'm ok with that, but if your application uses a text edit area, a treebox for project files, a menu bar, a bunch of tabs and perhaps a toolbar (the "standard" IDE layout -AFAIK- introduced by MSVC4 back in the 90s and replicated by pretty much every IDE and most "programming" text editors since then) then every mainstream (and most niche) desktop OS outside of Linux/X11 has native widgets that provide 99% of the functionality (with that missing 1% being the text edit area itself and some minor UI stuff).
(and also FWIW, of all text editors personally i use Notepad++ on Windows and Geany on Linux - though as i really dislike Gtk3 and Geany switched to that, i'm looking for some alternative that uses a more snappy and lightweight toolkit - for now the Debian version i use is still on Gtk2 but that is just a matter of time to be replaced)
Re: TextMate 2.0
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There I fixed it for you https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&geo=US&q=%...
That may indicate users googling how to exit vim.
Re: TextMate 2.0
#149I have a lot of respect for Allan Odgaard. Something happened, and I don't want to speculate, that caused him to take a break from Textmate (version 2.0 was supposed to come out 9 or so years ago). Instead of abandoning the project he open sourced it and almost a decade later it is being released. Textmate is now my graphical Notepad on Mac, with VS Code being my IDE and vim my text editor. Thanks Allan.
I feel at least slightly responsible, as I imagine many people from the TextMate community circa 2006–2010 do. I think the decline of TextMate was mostly a community problem rather than a technical problem, and it’s a bit hard to untangle exactly what happened. Allan had been making very fast progress on TextMate for the first several years, and the community was full of excited “early adopter” types, who were very c…
Textmate for me is the best example of "second system effect". Allan decided to rewrite everything, which killed the community.
(I also don't think SublimeText "just ripped off" TextMate and didn't add anything new. They added Windows and Linux support, for one.)
Re: TextMate 2.0
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Wonderful write-up. > Aside: Sublime Text was an unauthorized (and for at least the first few years half-baked) rip-off This puzzles me though. What "authorization" should Sublime's author have sought? I don't know why application XYZ would/should need permission/blessing to be compatible with application ABC's plugins. To me it's just a completely sensible decision; why would the author(s) of application XYZ want to…
I think it’s unethical to copy an existing program’s features one by one, as precisely as possible, while adding nothing novel. If you want to make software, get your own ideas. Copying something is a lot easier than inventing it for yourself, which requires doing real research. If you try ripping off large companies, you run the risk of getting sued. But if you do it to a 1-person company, you can generally get away…
> while adding nothing novel
AFAIK, Sublime is/was cross-platform? I wouldn't call that nothing novel.