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Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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What if you just say no? I don't use any social media and it can't be that unusual

IANAL but that could be interpreted as lying to a federal officer, given your participation in Hacker News discussions

But when internet forums count as social media, few can provide a complete list of websites they have engaged with.

I definitely can't recall every one of those I had been on in the last decades.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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The US is forcing its tourists to give away a list of all their social media accounts and all their email accounts. If you're a foreign journalist writing pseudonymously for your safety, you must now share that information with the US government to enter the country. This isn't quite on the level of forcing people to install malware on their phone yet, but give it a couple years.

Source? My friend just came over from Germany and she walked in thru the border like she's a US citizen, no questions asked other than purpose of visit.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Urumqi is a quite big transit hub, but I opt to never buy flights through it for the chance of winning a free cavity search. That's another reason to keep away from that place.

I visited Xinjiang and Urumqi back in 2005, before smartphones... Feeling nostalgic all of a sudden.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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post #52

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Even if you don’t post anything on LinkedIn besides your work experience, arguably, that would count as “status updates.” This would seem to include any number of dating sites and other things people don’t typically think of as “social media,” as well.

Yes, the lawyer mentioned LinkedIn as one. She didn't mention dating websites specifically that I recall, but I agree with you it sounds like they would be covered from the definition.

Dating sites would not be covered.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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Looks like there are ways to block sideloading of apps:

https://www.brianmadden.com/opinion/How-do-you-block-sideloa...

Basically you create an enterprise profile for your phone and block sideloading of apps as a policy ("Disallow_Install_Unknown_Sources). Same with iOS.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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What if you just say no? I don't use any social media and it can't be that unusual

IANAL but that could be interpreted as lying to a federal officer, given your participation in Hacker News discussions

I wonder if one could truthfully state "no, I'm not on any social media [at this exact moment, since I'm talking to you and not actively using any social media]" and avoid any potential legal trouble, or if there's some clause or mechanism in whatever law applies here that's designed specifically to address intentionally misleading word choices.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IANAL but that could be interpreted as lying to a federal officer, given your participation in Hacker News discussions

But when internet forums count as social media, few can provide a complete list of websites they have engaged with. I definitely can't recall every one of those I had been on in the last decades.

The law will have to define explicitly what it means to have an active social media account.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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This bit is important: "Foreigners crossing certain Chinese borders into the Xinjiang region"... I'm not aware of Chinese authorities getting quite that draconian (yet) at the normal border entry points in Beijing, Shanghai, etc. However, I think it's still worth following the general advice that if you have sensitive data on your devices, leave them at home and use a burner phone/laptop + restore from the cloud late…

I don’t think they would even do this if you flew into Urumqi. Just if you crossed a border from one of the stans into xinjiang, and fen these are mostly closed to westerners.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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OK, Xinjiang is basically a low level war zone/prison camp. Quite different from the rest of China.

Rest of China is captured by wechat anyways. This is only really useful for foreign reporters travelling in XinJiang. China could technically just ban foreigners from travelling there but somehow thinks the optics of this is better.

It is weird because there are no travel restrictions for foreigners going to Xinjiang (mostly, some places are off limits), you just buy a plane or train ticket. Going to Tibet is a lot harder for foreigners.

Re: Chinese authorities install app on phones of people entering Xinjiang

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post #6

The US is forcing its tourists to give away a list of all their social media accounts and all their email accounts. If you're a foreign journalist writing pseudonymously for your safety, you must now share that information with the US government to enter the country. This isn't quite on the level of forcing people to install malware on their phone yet, but give it a couple years.

> The US ... This style of argument is deflection, and it gets us nowhere. It's very effective in redirecting the focus away from one bad actor and onto another bad actor, though.

Call it what it is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
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