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Islam is not "dangerous and pervasive".

It certainly seems to be dangerous and pervasive... based on it's history in our world.

I think the phrase you're looking for is "extremists have used $RELIGION to justify their actions throughout history, to the horror of most its practitioners". You can largely replace the specific religion with of an organized belief system of your choosing.

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Haven’t read up on this, but looks like if they’re looking for graphs they would include linked in profiles too...

Even if you don’t post anything on LinkedIn besides your work experience, arguably, that would count as “status updates.” This would seem to include any number of dating sites and other things people don’t typically think of as “social media,” as well.

Yes, the lawyer mentioned LinkedIn as one. She didn't mention dating websites specifically that I recall, but I agree with you it sounds like they would be covered from the definition.

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How is this enforcable? ...or is it just the accounts that you will be using while in the US? Technically this seems difficult to enforce.

You can potentially be permanently banned from entering the US if you lie or omit information.

Remember what name you used on that obscure forum you signed up for just to read a single answer in a single thread? No? Well, sucks to be you.

I'm guessing in 99% of cases this information is either ignored or dumped into a database where a surveillance dragnet will lightly touch every record regularly looking for specific matches.

But in the remaining 1% it will be abused to skirt around someone's human rights.

And maybe they're hoping to catch some really dumb terrorists that write down the "Death to America" forum on that list.

I do find it interesting that the form is not compatible with anonymous posting like 4chan.

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""What you’ve found goes beyond that: it suggests that even foreigners are subjected to such mass, and unlawful surveillance."" Pretty bold for them to call it unlawful in two places when it was not shown to be against that country's laws. Distasteful, yes. Unlawful? Hard to tell from just this article. Personally, I'm more worried about exported android devices.

Indeed. For something to be unlawful you must have a society beholden to the rule of law, which the PRC is most definitely not.

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#55

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Islam is not "dangerous and pervasive".

It certainly seems to be dangerous and pervasive... based on it's history in our world.

The same or worse can be said about any religion

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#56

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I would recommend meeting an actual Muslim or reading less hysterical material about Islam. Even better perhaps, try reading about the history of Western imperialism in the middle East and a lot of the issues will suddenly become clearer.

Most of my information comes from history books and actually reading the Koran. I have also studied a bit on what life is like in countries where Sharia law is practiced such as Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and Afghanistan and tbh it's not looking to hot for Islam.

There are a billion muslims on Earth, maybe you should focus on statistics and talking to people instead.

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Kind of ironic you bought a burner phone to avoid Chinese surveillance then turn around and buy a Huawei phone

I read that as the Huawei phone being the burner phone, which is the point.

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There's nothing inherent to the economic theory of Communism that requires a police state. This is entirely due to the totalitarian ruling government in the PRC. Even the capitalist ROC was a totalitarian government for decades.

It is not a necessary precondition for its founding or instantiation. It is hard to conclude however, from the body of evidence we have, that it is anything less than necessary for its continued functioning.

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post #15

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On the last ESTA form I saw, they were asking not for all, but specific accounts. Apart from fb and Twitter there was also github, but I don’t remember seeing mastedon for example. Did I miss something?

The ESTA will be a bit different, but the exact question from the US visa application is: 7. Public-facing social media platforms and identifiers/handles used during the last five years. This includes any websites or applications the applicant has used to create or share content (photos, videos, status updates, etc.) as part of a public profile. I was advised by my lawyer that this covers Reddit and HN, and Facebook/…

Honestly I would been unable to give an accurate answer, I would certainly forget something I used in the past 5 years.

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#60

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It certainly seems to be dangerous and pervasive... based on it's history in our world.

I think the phrase you're looking for is "extremists have used $RELIGION to justify their actions throughout history, to the horror of most its practitioners". You can largely replace the specific religion with of an organized belief system of your choosing.

"You can largely replace the specific religion with of an organized belief system of your choosing." - Hinduism, Buddhism? Certainly Christianity at some point in history but I think if you read the Koran and then read the bible you will see that one has a propensity to incite violence and discrimination that far outweighs the other.
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