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Twitter’s Plan to Get People to Stop Yelling at Each Other

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Post by onion2k »

oblio wrote: post #129
onion2k wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN has an appalling reputation outside of HN. People refer to it as "the evil orange website". EDIT: It's "angry orange website", not "evil orange website". Not so bad after all.

Honest question: which people? HN is too US/California/Bay Area centric for my tastes (most people here are probably from there), it talks a bit too much about money and jobs, but it's still a decent resource.

I was wrong about the name. It's "the angry orange website". https://twitter.com/search?q="angry%20orange%20website" - that's just a sample of HN's 'haters'. HN has its share of people who are awful and post horrible opinions (see the discussion about any article on JavaScript, health care, wealth, etc). I believe HN has some value left which is why I still post here, but I can absolutely see why people have abandoned it, and I certainly don't talk about HN with people in real life.

Re: Twitter’s Plan to Get People to Stop Yelling at Each Other

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Post by kaffeemitsahne »

nullc wrote: post #99

The product has "twit" right in the name. Twitter is where you go to read twits or become one. Why is anyone surprised? From its tiny size limits to its byzantine threading and inability to follow all of one person without creating an account (which they often instantly ban, even if it does nothing but read)... Twitter is a communications medium constructed in a way that maximizes the ability ferment outrage and mini…

> For some reason it gets fetishized by the media -- probably because twittishness is good for business -- and spun as if it were important.

I've always assumed this is simply because a lot of journalists happen to be on Twitter.

Re: Twitter’s Plan to Get People to Stop Yelling at Each Other

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Post by pavlov »

skybrian wrote: post #15

Simpler: stop showing tweets just because other people liked them. That's not a reshare, so it shouldn't be treated that way. More generally, discourage large conversations and encourage fragmentation.

I actually like the feature that shows likes from people I follow. I also like the non-chronological timeline.

To me, both these features reduce the frustration inherent in Twitter's over-abundant timeline where you know you're missing out on 95% of stuff because there's no time to scroll through the whole thing. I know I'm still missing out on 95%, but it feels more prioritized.

Re: Twitter’s Plan to Get People to Stop Yelling at Each Other

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Post by baud147258 »

skybrian wrote: post #15

Simpler: stop showing tweets just because other people liked them. That's not a reshare, so it shouldn't be treated that way. More generally, discourage large conversations and encourage fragmentation.

Funny, I don't see any liked tweets. Either the handful of people I'm following don't like anything, or there's a switch somewhere that I've flipped without paying attention, because now I can't find it.

Re: Twitter’s Plan to Get People to Stop Yelling at Each Other

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Post by baud147258 »

duxup wrote: post #48

Twitter by design encourages trite / curt posts that have to be outlandish to get any attention. Nuance and understanding are not encouraged ... just based on how the whole thing works. The medium is the message.

Well, your comment fits in a tweet...

Re: Twitter’s Plan to Get People to Stop Yelling at Each Other

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Post by jrootabega »

carriers wrote: post #59
skymt wrote: post #33

> Over several days this spring, BuzzFeed News met with Twitter’s leadership and watched as twttr’s team worked on its first big push: helping people better understand what’s being said in often chaotic conversations. The team thinks that if people took more time to read entire conversations, that would help improve their comprehension of them. I had assumed that Twitter was aware of the implications of its design fo…

Yeah, I don't get this at all. I think it's even deeper than designing for controversy. I'm "older" (40s), though I work on products used by younger people, so I don't think this is just me being old, but I can't follow a conversation on twitter at all. When there's a link from HackerNews to Twitter, I click on it and sometimes see the thing mentioned in the HN title, and sometimes don't. Then there's a bunch of stuf…

Twitter, reddit, slack and others are meant for constant asynchronous engagement, mostly by schoolkids, and not random access or long-lived discussion. Coming from the message board world, the difference in the attention spans involved is pretty frustrating.

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Post by Veen »

cjslep wrote: post #137
aloisdg wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HN, Reddit and most newsgroups are not so bad.

The low quality of Reddit-think slips into the workplace all the time. If it isn't a debate about semantics (the lowest form of argument, "well this word also means..." Etc) it's a debate about the second lowest form (the form/framing of an argument, "that's a reductionist argument..." Etc), and when I challenge said co-workers on this ("what kind of reductionism? So what if it's reductionist? Don't assume I believe…

> Don't assume I believe in Kant's first formulation of the categorical imperative which you use

Your co-workers must be very different to the people I come across in my work.

Re: Twitter’s Plan to Get People to Stop Yelling at Each Other

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Post by rusk »

carriers wrote: post #59
skymt wrote: post #33

> Over several days this spring, BuzzFeed News met with Twitter’s leadership and watched as twttr’s team worked on its first big push: helping people better understand what’s being said in often chaotic conversations. The team thinks that if people took more time to read entire conversations, that would help improve their comprehension of them. I had assumed that Twitter was aware of the implications of its design fo…

Yeah, I don't get this at all. I think it's even deeper than designing for controversy. I'm "older" (40s), though I work on products used by younger people, so I don't think this is just me being old, but I can't follow a conversation on twitter at all. When there's a link from HackerNews to Twitter, I click on it and sometimes see the thing mentioned in the HN title, and sometimes don't. Then there's a bunch of stuf…

> I can't follow a conversation on twitter at all.

Chaos is a Ladder [0]

[0] https://www.thenarcissisticpersonality.com/narcissistic-chao...

Re: Twitter’s Plan to Get People to Stop Yelling at Each Other

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Post by rusk »

pavlov wrote: post #143
skybrian wrote: post #15

Simpler: stop showing tweets just because other people liked them. That's not a reshare, so it shouldn't be treated that way. More generally, discourage large conversations and encourage fragmentation.

I actually like the feature that shows likes from people I follow. I also like the non-chronological timeline. To me, both these features reduce the frustration inherent in Twitter's over-abundant timeline where you know you're missing out on 95% of stuff because there's no time to scroll through the whole thing. I know I'm still missing out on 95%, but it feels more prioritized.

> where you know you're missing out on 95% of stuff because there's no time to scroll through the whole thing.

Sounds like Facebook.

Re: Twitter’s Plan to Get People to Stop Yelling at Each Other

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Post by [deleted] »

onion2k wrote: post #141
oblio wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honest question: which people? HN is too US/California/Bay Area centric for my tastes (most people here are probably from there), it talks a bit too much about money and jobs, but it's still a decent resource.

I was wrong about the name. It's "the angry orange website". https://twitter.com/search?q="angry%20orange%20website" - that's just a sample of HN's 'haters'. HN has its share of people who are awful and post horrible opinions (see the discussion about any article on JavaScript, health care, wealth, etc). I believe HN has some value left which is why I still post here, but I can absolutely see why people have abandone…

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