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Re: Questions About Food and Climate Change, Answered

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Post by cageface » Fri, May 03, 2019, 9:06 AM UTC

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #140

cageface wrote: post #138

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No all life. When we treat animal life as worthless we also come to value human life less. It’s a connection that’s hard to see while you’re still eating meat IMO. At least in more “primitive” societies they would often acknowledge that the animal had given its life and thank it and treat the act of eating an animal with some solemnity. We instead do our best to forget that what we are eating was ever alive.

What I mean is that plants are also alive. Do you not respect and value plant life?

It takes as much as 10 kilos of plants to produce a kilo of meat, so if you respect plant life the best thing you can do is stop wasting it feeding it to animals you intend to eat.

And yeah I do notice and appreciate plants a lot more since I became vegan.

This talk does a good job of addressing the common objections to veganism, including all those you have raised:

https://youtu.be/byTxzzztRBU

Re: Questions About Food and Climate Change, Answered

#142

Post by YeGoblynQueenne » Fri, May 03, 2019, 4:16 PM UTC

cageface wrote: post #141

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I mean is that plants are also alive. Do you not respect and value plant life?

It takes as much as 10 kilos of plants to produce a kilo of meat, so if you respect plant life the best thing you can do is stop wasting it feeding it to animals you intend to eat. And yeah I do notice and appreciate plants a lot more since I became vegan. This talk does a good job of addressing the common objections to veganism, including all those you have raised: https://youtu.be/byTxzzztRBU

>> It takes as much as 10 kilos of plants to produce a kilo of meat, so if you respect plant life the best thing you can do is stop wasting it feeding it to animals you intend to eat.

I do value and respect all life, but I don't think that means I shouldn't eat it. Your comment was the one that made that point.

Rather than watching a video I can't converse with I would prefer it if you explained to me yourself why it's OK to eat one kind of life one respects and values, i.e. plants, but not another, i.e. animals.

I mean, I would welcome an explanation.

Re: Questions About Food and Climate Change, Answered

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Post by throwaway5752 » Sat, May 04, 2019, 8:30 PM UTC

beat wrote: post #87

throwaway5752 wrote: post #82

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You say that, but witness Roger Penrose and James Watson speaking and writing outside of their areas of specialty. I think it's completely reasonable to ask for primary sources in any informed discussion, regardless of forum. It's just as easy as citing the secondary source in any book worth citing. I think your concerns over my rhetoric have some merit, but ultimate editing my comments at this point would just creat…

I think looking for primary sources is only necessary at this level when there is good reason to question the credibility of the secondary source. "Not their specific field of expertise" isn't sufficient, especially when they're just citing facts and not interpreting them. I think there's a substantial difference in value between citing primary sources to refute a secondary source, versus dismissing a secondary sourc…

I hope she writes the book. It doesn't have to be scholarly, it can just scratch an itch - but I am sure it will be a great contribution to the body of knowledge in that area. Createspace, Lulu, Gumroad are all pretty good resources for taking a single piece from a single print of "vanity" project to something with an isbn and distribution channels, possibly over multiple editions. Some have editing, cover design, and "typesetting" services available for reasonable prices. I hope nothing I've said would give the impression that I would hold this in anything but the highest regard. Best of luck to her.