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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by baroffoos »

snickerman wrote: post #133
jccalhoun wrote: post #23

As a firefox fax, I hope this isn't true. The dominance of chrome isn't good for anyone. This will lead to (even more) sites not bothering to be made compatible with Firefox. We are headed back to the "designed for IE" days.

Firefox seems scummy, trying to shove the service pocket on us. Despite firefox's recent improvements, I find chrome a better experience overall. If you want to browse without google monitoring everything, then Vivaldi seems like a great option.

Chrome users benefit greatly from firefox's existence. One company/product owning everything is good for no one but the managers of that company.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by saagarjha »

nikkwong wrote: post #94
fourthark wrote: post #49

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How was it broken? I only tested visualization stuff on it but it seemed to work pretty well. Honestly asking...

It just depends on how far you're trying to push these browsers. Chrome has a lot of crazy cutting edge APIs which allow amazing developer and therefore user experiences. For example, IntersectionObserver, which allows developers to know when a part of a page is active, and respond accordingly; Safari doesn't even implement IntersectionObserver, even though it's been a standardized spec since like 2013. It might seem…

Looks like Safari is finally making some progress on implementing this: https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=159475

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by kibwen »

nikkwong wrote: post #102
kibwen wrote: post #92

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> chromium is open source On Chromium being open source, and why that doesn't matter: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18595978

wouldn't you expect though; if the experience got so bad, that you'd have a sort of 'hard-fork' like we see happening all the time in the crypto space; with devs moving to whatever platform is best? That would have just been nigh impossible with close sourced software; at least there's a potential path should we ever have to confront that situation with chromium. Practically, I wouldn't guess that we'd see that, sinc…

"Hard fork" à la blockchains is a very good analogy. It's also a chilling one, considering that no hard fork of Bitcoin has ever seriously challenged it for dominance of the cryptocurrency space, and that the web has orders of magnitude more inertia than the Bitcoin blockchain.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by err4nt »

SllX wrote: post #97
samspenc wrote: post #90

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My understanding is that they'll be using the Chromium engine underneath, but still their own Edge "browser" and UI on top. IMHO, I personally think it's a good thing to consolidate on one engine to render HTML cross-platform for these two reasons: 1. Web developers no longer need to worry about supporting CSS and other edge-cases across various browser engines. 2. The Chromium engine itself is open source. There are…

If open web standards are to matter at all , it is more important for there to be multiple viable implementations of the same standards than it is for the lives of web developers to become easier. Using the same engine across multiple browsers, open source or not, just doesn’t cut it.

People in web standards community kind of anticipate browsers (there are 4 main browsers now) eventually kind of consolidating down to 2 engines. This seems like a step in that direction. Who knows, Safari might be next :D

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by nerdbaggy »

fabrice_d wrote: post #77
nerdbaggy wrote: post #22

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And nobody knows how that’s calculated. If the implementation is done via JS we can assume a good portion of all the browsers usage % is incorrect.

The absolute number is not that important, the trend is. That's clear even in Mozilla's own data: https://data.firefox.com/dashboard/user-activity shows they went from 303M monthly active users at the end of Nov. 2017 to 277M this year. This is a serious drop.

Not sure if I trust these metrics

They say: "...widely distributed over thousands of websites." https://netmarketshare.com/methodology

Looking at netmarkshet website and web requests it seems this pulls from gator.io for metrics. Looks like 3k-4k websites have this data which lines up with the previous statment. https://publicwww.com/websites/%22gator.io%22/

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by damnyou »

samspenc wrote: post #90
jccalhoun wrote: post #23

As a firefox fax, I hope this isn't true. The dominance of chrome isn't good for anyone. This will lead to (even more) sites not bothering to be made compatible with Firefox. We are headed back to the "designed for IE" days.

My understanding is that they'll be using the Chromium engine underneath, but still their own Edge "browser" and UI on top. IMHO, I personally think it's a good thing to consolidate on one engine to render HTML cross-platform for these two reasons: 1. Web developers no longer need to worry about supporting CSS and other edge-cases across various browser engines. 2. The Chromium engine itself is open source. There are…

3 is just completely untrue. Firefox Quantum came out just a year ago.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by TimTheTinker »

chipperyman573 wrote: post #53
talawahdotnet wrote: post #28

Interesting, but what I really, really want them to do is EOL IE 11 so that the web can move forward without feeling guilty about the X% of users still on it. IE 11 has unfortunately become the new IE 6. As it is right now I believe the IE 11 EOL is tied to the Windows 10 EOL...which is not happening anytime soon. Many frameworks are dropping support for it anyway so I guess it will end up being defacto desupported.

As someone who has (luckily) only had to support Firefox/Edge/Chrome, can you go into why IE11 is so bad? In the very small amount of testing I've done, everything seems to render just fine (especially compared to IE6/7/8)

Here's a quick feature comparison between IE11 and the other major browsers: https://caniuse.com/#compare=ie+11,firefox+63,chrome+70,safa...

It's utterly depressing how many red "No"s there are in the left column next to green "Yes"s -- all the features we could use if we could merely drop support for IE11.

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