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Re: Apple changes words in order to change the debate

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" I don't know what is stopping HTC/Motorala/Samsung from trying to enforce similar conditions for its Android-based devices." If say HTC tried to enforce such conditions, they'd have little leverage because their devices are practically Android-running commodities. If HTC threatened to walk away from a carrier, it likely wouldn't hurt the carrier that much. Since Apple's the only iOS device vendor, they have a bit m…

They certainly would have leverage if they built a phone people really want. This is exactly how Apple gained that leverage. Alternatively, they could team up with the other manufacturers and boycott carriers which refuse to sell their phones as-is. But they simply don't seem to care about their end-users as much as the carriers (and neither does Google apparently). edit: spelling.

"They certainly would have leverage if they built a phone people really want."

There's that, but it won't be too long before someone else releases The Hot New Android Phone. (Which might not live up to the hype, but it'll take the spotlight off the unavailable phone for a while.)

"This is exactly how Apple gained that leverage."

See above. The only company releasing Hot New Apple Phones is Apple.

Re: Apple changes words in order to change the debate

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That really sucks. But my question was, is your experience typical of most Android users, or a minority?

Out of what I've seen so far, most. I personally have a Nexus One, but my girlfriend's Cliq XT has all kinds of bullshit installed. It has yet to get 2.2, as far as I know, so we'll see if she still gets tethering...

I wonder if this is just a more common phenomenon in the US than the rest of the World. I've met a few people with Android phones in the UK and none of them have had anything like this.

There was a case earlier this year where Vodafone issued an update which added some crap like this to peoples phones, but enough people complained that they removed it in their next update which upgraded people to Froyo:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/12/desire_android/

Maybe people in the US just don't complain enough ;)

Re: Apple changes words in order to change the debate

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> If you're an end user, the net gain of that openness is zero, and at times it's even a loss I have about 15 home screen widgets, an alternative dialer, alternative browser and a bunch of other programs that would never be allowed on iOS that beg to differ.

For the masses, who buy everything thru the appstore, Apple controls the experience. But this does not make iOS "closed". You can get whatever widgets you want built using web technologies, and they run like apps. And if you're a developer, you can put whatever programs you want on your device. Since all the open advocates should be advocating open source as well, why complain about iOS? IF you want to put open sourc…

> You can get whatever widgets you want built using web technologies, and they run like apps

You must not know what a widget actually is. Unless there's been some startling update to iOS what you are referring to is nothing like an Android widget.

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