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Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic

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In the UK "government" is used both very generally (as you're construing it) to mean institutions including courts, police, the Bank of England, a local municipal authority, and thus about half of everything, and specifically to mean the executive, which in the UK is run directly by politicians from the ruling party in the legislature. Unless it's clear from context people usually mean the latter, and the executive s…

Interesting. Does the UK have another word other than “government” that has the US English meaning—any institution of or controlled by the state?

> Interesting. Does the UK have another word other than “government” that has the US English meaning—any institution of or controlled by the state?

In everyday speech, not really. We don't have a codified constitution so things are sometimes a little ambiguous. I guess people might use terms like "the state" or "the powers that be".

There is the legal concept of "The Crown" [1], which is kind of like the legal personality of the state. It sits at the root of a hierarchy, with the executive, legislature, courts, military etc. below it. The monarch, as head of state, exercises the powers of The Crown, although mostly in a ceremonial way on the advice of the government [2]. But nobody talks about The Crown in everyday speech.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crown

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_prerogative_in_the_Unite...

Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic

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Note that due to medical privacy law we can't hear the hospital's side of this. There may be something there and it's not unheard of for the parents to also be weird and controlling. > financially benefits from that control Yeah, this is a more fundamental problem with for-profit hospitals - money gets involved in treatment decisions.

> Yeah, this is a more fundamental problem with for-profit hospitals - money gets involved in treatment decisions. Mayo is not for-profit.

Everything in the USA is for-profit.. It is only a scale of how much.

Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic

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The medical profession really scares me. They have no respect or concern for patients and are largely going through the motions of providing care with no concern for successful outcomes. I find this to be consistently true in every encounter. I fired my last PCP because they lied about treating me for depression complete with fictional prescriptions. I found out when I couldn't get disability insurance (at a sane pri…

It seems pretty unfair to malign the entire field of medicine due to a single bad actor. I went to medical school prior to becoming an engineer and my impression was that most if not all of my classmates were genuine in their desire to help improve the lives of others. I'm sorry that you had a bad experience with your previous PCP but they don't represent the profession as a whole. Also, if ADD is not a mental illnes…

Single? I just gave two.

This not the only anecdata. Friends, family, and a family business. It’s not a scientific study.

I was trying to give practical advice. If things are hunky dory in your neck of the woods great!

Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic

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The medical profession really scares me. They have no respect or concern for patients and are largely going through the motions of providing care with no concern for successful outcomes. I find this to be consistently true in every encounter. I fired my last PCP because they lied about treating me for depression complete with fictional prescriptions. I found out when I couldn't get disability insurance (at a sane pri…

>And the craziest part is that as part of HIPAA you can ask the doctor to correct the record, but they are under no obligation to do so. Couldn't you sue (or threaten to sue) them for libel? It's a written false statement that is injurious to your reputation.

Maybe? I feel like interacting with lawyers is a losing proposition. I never consulted one to see what was possible.

I am not the kind of person who uses the legal system to make a point.

Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic

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The medical profession really scares me. They have no respect or concern for patients and are largely going through the motions of providing care with no concern for successful outcomes. I find this to be consistently true in every encounter. I fired my last PCP because they lied about treating me for depression complete with fictional prescriptions. I found out when I couldn't get disability insurance (at a sane pri…

You seem to have terrible luck finding PCPs. What area of the country are you in? Big or small city?

Big city. There are reams of them to choose from I just don’t invest much time in it because I am mostly healthy.

Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic

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It's especially scary if you have no trusted friends or relatives. There's an awful lot of people with asocial tendencies on the internet.

I have no friends or family here and am too socially crippled to make friends I would ever trust. I need a harmless procedure completed and doctors refuse to do it unless I have someone else with me who is willing to drive me home afterwards. Uber/Lyft/Taxi is not allowed either.

I've been in the same boat for most of my life. I've been lucky enough to make a few friends in the past few years but that's not to say that I trust them with my life.

Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic

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My mother in-law was kept at a facility when we wanted to transfer her to a better one, but we were given lots of run-around and people insisted everything was fine. She died. She might have died anyways, but we'll never get to know. We had serious concerns with her care and nobody was her advocate to getting better care, except my wife (her daughter) and she was dealing with a morass of bureaucracy that nobody shoul…

When I was a child, I was hospitalized for some issues. I spent a week there, and I only got worse. The Drs would dance around the questions when my parents asked to have me moved to a different hospital.

At the end of the 6th day, my dad told them he was going to take me to a better hospital whether or not they agreed. (There was more words, but that's besides the point).

Within an hour there was an ambulance taking me to the next hospital. If my dad didn't force their hand, I would have died later that night. All because they either didn't care, wanted the money, or were actually that shit of Drs.

This story makes me angry.

Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic

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They stay in a reputable medical institution and get better after a debilitating aneurism?

That demonstrates an ignorance of what the medical profession is like in practice. People without family to watch them get terrible care. There are exceptions (ICU for example is usually pretty good), but any care that doesn't have someone watching/caring for them 24/7 is going to be bad. You NEED someone in the hospital watching out for you, unless you are in a unit where there is a permanent nurse on duty with you…

We weren't talking county general here. This was the Mayo clinic.

I'm appalled at the anti-science luddite response to this yellow journalism that's called a news article, especially from HN folk.

Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic

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The patient signed a privacy release form provided by Mayo allowing them to freely discuss the case with CNN. Despite this the hospital has chosen to continue to refuse to answer questions under the guise of patient confidentiality. Since the hospital legally can present their side of the story and evidence to support it and have chosen not to, it is reasonable to accept the patient's account as accurate.

How certain is it that the patient privacy release form will hold up in court? If Mayo is arguing that the patient cannot make their own medical decisions, doesn't it inherently undermine their own argument to recognize the privacy release form as a legitimate decision made by the patient?

From the article, the hospital couldn't decide if the patient was competent. They claimed she wasn't when it suited their guardianship case, and claimed she was when they "discharged" her.

No one else has claimed she's incompetent. Other mmedical professionals have said she was and is. When patient signed the release, they were free to discuss the details of the case. Their refusal to do so is telling.

Re: Parents Break Teen Out of Mayo Clinic

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Seeing the Americans in this thread discuss their fear and mistrust of the medical system and the completely befuddling incentives that have been created in the US due to a for-profit medical system is straight up DISTURBING. Healthcare is a human right in our modern prosperous civilization. What America has done to it is preposterous. You should be rioting, not starting lawsuits.

Who's going to take care of the people injured in the riots?
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