The malls in Southern California also use machine vision to detect your gender, approximate age, sentiment and unique facial structure through unique identifier tracking. If they have you from your license plate, to when you’re in the mall, as well as any information they can glean from your cell phone signal... yikes. Or at least there was an article some time ago how they were testing it.
A California mall operator is sharing license plate tracking data with ICE
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#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
Speeding and parking tickets are usually infractions, and are non-criminal. DUIs, reckless driving, fleeing the scene, and the like are criminal misdemeanors or felonies. Illegally entering is a criminal misdemanor, so they aren't the same thing.
Unlawful presence, which is all anyone at a mall in California could be charged with, is a civil matter, not a crime. Unless there's some international border in Sunnyvale I missed, I don't think the ALPRs will catch any illegal entry.
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#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
Better yet, ask them to confirm that they don't track this stuff in the first place.
> ask them to confirm that they don't track this stuff in the first place I could see a reasonable case being made for collecting these data, storing them for a few weeks, and then deleting them, to protect against thieves. The problem here is that for the government to collect these data, they would need to follow certain processes. A private actor who isn't following those processes is placing those data with the g…
So everyone is guilty to proven innocent?
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t think reporting criminals to the police makes one an asshole. If you want open borders that’s fine. We have a congress and they can legally pass that policy. Write your representative and senators or something.
They’re not reporting criminals, they’re reporting everyone . This has nothing to do with open borders. Why would you even bring that up?
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#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
> ask them to confirm that they don't track this stuff in the first place I could see a reasonable case being made for collecting these data, storing them for a few weeks, and then deleting them, to protect against thieves. The problem here is that for the government to collect these data, they would need to follow certain processes. A private actor who isn't following those processes is placing those data with the g…
Even if private actors were not involved, there wouldn’t be any way to verify that the information was destroyed by a governmental department. I suppose that is a possible area where a public blockchain that broadcasts the storage and deletion of data could be useful but now everybody has stopped reading this comment so they can talk about how blockchain tech is useless. Regardless, the indefinite/temporary storage o…
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#146Once upon a time Hacker News used to be a community for developers and startup/technology news. Political stories were quickly removed...
As an industry, software is still very young. And as it comes of age in the modern era, its impact continues to reach further and further into the fabric of society. We are more than ever before making ethical questions part of the conversation when developing technology.
Politics and policies making their way into HN is therefore an inevitable evolution. Nothing else.
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
> ask them to confirm that they don't track this stuff in the first place I could see a reasonable case being made for collecting these data, storing them for a few weeks, and then deleting them, to protect against thieves. The problem here is that for the government to collect these data, they would need to follow certain processes. A private actor who isn't following those processes is placing those data with the g…
>I could see a reasonable case being made for collecting these data, storing them for a few weeks, and then deleting them, to protect against thieves. So everyone is guilty to proven innocent?
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#148Let the tribalism begin.
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#149Once upon a time Hacker News used to be a community for developers and startup/technology news. Political stories were quickly removed...
And one day the community realised that technical innovations had deeper ramifications than something to nerd over or some fancy valuation in a startup with a quirky name. As an industry, software is still very young. And as it comes of age in the modern era, its impact continues to reach further and further into the fabric of society. We are more than ever before making ethical questions part of the conversation whe…
I am going to debate the fact that the HN community silences opposing opinions and comments, which won't be popular... But it is evident in the fact that I challenge you to show a conservative viewpoint post making the front page. I have personally seen comments and posts silenced by a minority that had the majority of votes countless times.
Anyway, I digress which is the entire point. In the same vein as I loath sports pundits that try and always get political because it distracts from the essence of sports, the same is true of HN.
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#150“California malls” is too forgiving a headline. It’s one company, Irvine Company, a group with locations in the Bay Area [1]. They have phone numbers on their websites [2]. Reaching out to their retailers, particularly those with locations in Mexico, couldn’t hurt either. It might not be a bad idea to also compile a list of their retailers’ investor relations and Twitter accounts and tweet this article to them (here'…
Given this news, I'm going to contact some other large mall chains (e.g. Westfield), in the hopes that they'll confirm that they don't give out license plate data to third parties. I'll be interested to see how they respond.
Significantly more creepily, WF uses wide-coverage anonymous device tracking to build customer profiles of visitor paths/time spent in shops across multiple visits to place targeted ads via FB and the like. Don’t walk around in a mall without your Faraday cage.