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Post by adamnemecek »

dwaltrip wrote: post #137
adamnemecek wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not on social media. It's more like, idk, what you deal with living in modern society. And it doesn't matter if you are connected or not if everyone else around you is. If there's a Twitter organized revolution happening around you, ignoring it might be harmful. At no point was I reminiscing about good old days, and my argument is actually very orthogonal to that statement.

> If there's a Twitter organized revolution happening around you If this actually happens, you won't need to be on Twitter to find out about it.

At that point it will be too late to prevent it tho.

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Post by JacksonGariety »

ams6110 wrote: post #125
adamnemecek wrote: post #43

The accelerationism of the world is really taking it's toll. I feel like the political and economical system is, idk, a result of over-application of certain tenets that might have been justified in the past but are increasingly less valid but certain forces are clinging to them because these tenets are all they have. It's not just the US, the world feels like such a blur. Very important and fucked up things are happ…

> the world feels like such a blur Get off of social media and twitter. Stop watching/reading the news every day. If you want to keep up with current events, read a politically neutral monthly periodical. I grew up in the 70's and 80's. Every generation looks back on its youth as "the good old days" but things really were much less stressful then and the main difference I see is that you were not connected to a fireh…

The dilemma is that leaving social media is increasingly tantamount to leaving society, which is the basis for what remains of politics. On the other hand, the "politics" that occurs on social media is increasingly nothing other than a popularity contest. It seems hopeless.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by User23 »

ams6110 wrote: post #114
toomuchtodo wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Divorce is one of the most financially devastating events that can happen in one’s life. The longer I’m alive, the longer I recommend to people to never get married. Live together, but keep your finances separate (does not apply in community property states; watch out!).

Prenuptial agreements are a thing. Though there's probably some sound thinking behind the point of view that if you aren't willing to get married without a prenup, then you really shouldn't be getting married.

Or you can marry someone who doesn't consider divorce an option, for example a devout Catholic. Of course that assumes they will stick to their beliefs in the face of temptation, and observably many do not.

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Post by djschnei »

pjc50 wrote: post #133
djschnei wrote: post #126

Young (white) men are completely lost in the US right now. The most exciting thing in the majority of my friends lives right now (23-26 years old) are the current challenges in Fortnite. Everyone is scared of longterm, meaningful relationships and Tinder provides the instant artificial validation to make those long-term relationships seem unnecessary. You're a tryhard if you have serious career aspirations or goals.…

> You're a tryhard if you have serious career aspirations or goals Where did this come from, I wonder?

Lack of purpose I suppose. If I have enough money to pay rent, get trashed with the boys on the weekend, and buy cool things every now and then, why lift more than I need to at work?

When my dad was my age he just recently bought a house, got married, had a kid on the way. His effort in growing his small business made tons of sense. For me, if it wasn't for my personal drive to be great at my job - a job which I have a passion for (and I know luck has a lot to do with that) - why would a try harder than I need to? I'm not really responsible for anything, you know?

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Post by dsnuh »

ams6110 wrote: post #114
toomuchtodo wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. Divorce is one of the most financially devastating events that can happen in one’s life. The longer I’m alive, the longer I recommend to people to never get married. Live together, but keep your finances separate (does not apply in community property states; watch out!).

Prenuptial agreements are a thing. Though there's probably some sound thinking behind the point of view that if you aren't willing to get married without a prenup, then you really shouldn't be getting married.

Good luck actually getting that pre-nup enforced in court!

Just don't get married, unless you are ready to lose it all if it goes south.

Re: Suicide rising across the US

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Post by frgtpsswrdlame »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #124
some_account wrote: post #112

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I understand it. It's not like the world is a super happy place and everybody is like 'why would you want to leave this place - it's amazing!'. Everybody has their own experiences. Their life is unique. Telling other people that they should stick around can even be selfish, depending on what they are going through. However. Living life is a skill, and I believe can you get quite satisfactory skill levels by making ha…

No, you clearly don't really understand it. If you did, you should know that telling a suicidal person "chin up, it's fixable!" is the worst thing you can do. Another big sin is offering me encouragement unsolicited as if I need it when I am not even saying that I am currently suicidal. Last, I have a genetic disorder. There is no cure for that. Your assumption that anything is fixable if you just try hard enough is…

You know I could never bring myself to be upset at people with a "chin up, it's fixable!" attitude. It's certainly not the worst thing they could do. And then the above commenter is committing a sin by not reading your mind to know you don't want to be encouraged? Come on.

>But don't let the facts confuse you. Just carry on with doing things that could push someone over the edge if you did this to them while they were actively feeling suicidal.

It's not the burden of people to never say any thing wrong to a depressed person. It's certainly wrong to place causation at their feet. This is the sort of thing that leads people to blame themselves after a suicide, it's an unhealthy way of thinking about the issue.

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Post by actsasbuffoon »

kuraudo wrote: post #127
stnmtn wrote: post #56

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So, in this analogy, white people are the victims, and minorities are the bullies? I guess if you strip all historical context out of the racial issues, ignore current inequalities, and just focus on what people on Tumblr are saying, I guess you could come to that conclusion, but you have to intentionally avoid a lot of stuff to reach that

I don't think it's possible to deny it at this point; you'd have to be blind not to see the hatred directed towards white people. This behavior is both encouraged and protected by the culture & institutions running the western world at the moment. The opposite is cracked down upon swiftly.

Yeah, every now and then someone makes a harmless joke online about white men. It must be really hard to deal with that kind of pressure.

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Post by minikites »

o203909kd wrote: post #82
minikites wrote: post #35

Reducing firearm ownership would reduce suicides: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/business/wonkblog/su... The common response is that "people will just find another way" but that's not supported by evidence. >“Anything that builds in delay is working in your favor because that fever-pitch time when you’re actually willing to swallow the poison or pull the trigger is often fairly narrow,” said Cathy Barber, wh…

I am a psychologist and to be honest, I think focusing on methods is well-intended but misguided because it leaves the pain but takes away the mechanism. I'm not convinced that even eliminating firearms completely would reduce suicide rates as much as some think because people would find another means. Even the linked piece states "nobody knows what would happen if firearm availability in the US resembled levels of o…

>What we want are people who don't feel driven to suicide, not people who are unable to commit suicide.

Is there a reason we shouldn't do both?

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Post by drdeca »

ars wrote: post #135
drdeca wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think one's political positions/expressions are really a fundamental and immutable part of what one is in the way described by the comment. Unless you mean that the attempts to make people feel worthless are done on the basis of immutable things, but are done in response to "not towing the line"?

> Unless you mean that the attempts to make people feel worthless are done on the basis of immutable things Yes, I do mean that. If you are white or a male you are told to "check your privilege", and that you "are not allowed to speak about issues". (Is a white male allowed to have an opinion about abortion? Ask yourself what you think, and ask others as well, and that will help you understand.) Go watch some campus…

The point of my sentence you quoted was more in the part that said

> but are done in response to "not towing the line"

Like, your previous comment was about "towing the line" and I was asking about the connection between the "immutable properties" thing mentioned in the original comment I responded to, and the "towing the line" that you mentioned.

I wasn't asking "are people speaking against other people's immutable properties?" (which seems to be the question you responded to).

I was asking, "By talking about 'towing the line' when the context was 'immutable properties', did you mean that the treatment based on 'immutable properties' is targeted at those who don't 'tow the line'? If not, what is your meaning in bringing up 'towing the line' in the context of people speaking against others' 'immutable properties'?".

I am not trying to make a point about who is or is not treated badly. I'm trying to clear up what was meant to be communicated.

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Post by dsnuh »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #81
megaman22 wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really surprising that middle-aged men who have been raked over the coals in a divorce and left with a hole they'll never get out of, would opt for an end to the pain.

Agreed. Divorce is one of the most financially devastating events that can happen in one’s life. The longer I’m alive, the longer I recommend to people to never get married. Live together, but keep your finances separate (does not apply in community property states; watch out!).

I doubt I will be able to recover from mine. I'm paying $1700 per month in child support for two kids, even though I have custody of them 45% of the time. I have Smith-Ostler riders to collect 12% from any bonus, stock option sales, RSUs, etc. I basically have to restart from scratch on my 401k, as that was used to pay off the divorce costs and equalizations. I finished paying off spousal support, which was another $1800 per month, but now I am so far in the hole that I doubt I will ever dig out. It's been over two years since the divorce, but I am still struggling just to make my mortgage every month.

I don't know if people on HN (who I assume a majority of are high earners) realize just how much money you can be on the hook for if you have a motivated ex-spouse with an attorney. My ex was a stay-at-home mom with a side business as a photographer. Good luck getting a fair shake in court when you get a W-2 salary, and the other party runs their own business.

Edit: typo - I have 45% custody, not 55% custody.

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