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Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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I think the likes of WeChat and Alibaba have Western companies thinking twice before proudly wearing a "Banned in China" badge.

turkey is no china, china is a economy power, contributes a lot to the world. Turkey is nothing like that, they do contribute in promoting Jihadi and extremist version of islam but that is not the contribution you want.

In all fairness Turkey does have a sizable economy. Not clear whether that will be true in a year though. Not just humans, a lot of capital has been fleeing the seizures.

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Probably worth rehashing the infamous messages: > Zuck: People just submitted it. > Zuck: I don't know why. > Zuck: They "trust me" > Zuck: Dumb fucks. A cynic would interpret the current state of the world to suggest that Zuckerberg, and by extension Facebook, considers a large segment of the world population "Dumb fucks" http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims...

That text was so long ago I don't think it's relevant anymore. Oprah Winfrey was also crack cocaine smoker in a cycle of abusive relationships in her late twenties. If people choose to change their perspectives they can, and everything indicates that Mark has matured quite a bit since then.

He has had a little or no blowback from it so did he learn anything to change or was his view confirmed that people are dumb

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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I get the point you’re trying to make, but I’m skeptical that a breach can be non-technical if there exists a technical framework whitelisting what apps can and cannot do. By implementing an explicit system for granting app access to user accounts, Facebook is effectively setting the boundaries of apps within that system. How can Facebook then arbitrarily pick an app utilizing the system that Facebook setup to protec…

> If it’s a breach, the problem is the system by Facebook. If that’s true, then there must be a “bug” (technical or not) that Kogan exploited in the system Kogan exploited Facebook's lack of verification around restricting third parties' data access to that which users had authorized to be accessed by third parties. He should have only been able to collect a quarter of a million users' data. He was given access to mo…

> Which is why we're talking about regulation.

Regulation to say what? That people can't freely give away their own data? To tell Facebook not to share people's data with other apps, even if the users themselves authorize it?

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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I'm still shaken with the magnitude and strength of the revelations that have been made in the last five hours on Cambridge Analytica (though some of the things sound more like SCL -- they share the same CEO).

At 7pm GMT we had the Channel 4 News investigation[0] which featured Alexander Nix, the CEO of Cambridge Analytica, in which he appeared to be bragging to a fictional Sri Lankan businessman (who was in fact an undercover reporter) about the things they can do to discredit his opponents involving (with a delicious dose of irony) hidden cameras. Such tactics sounded a lot like they may involve trafficking of Ukrainian sex workers. There were also things that sounded a lot like blackmail and spreading of things that may not be true.

Then, just after that undercover story broke we had the Facebook raid, which really looked a lot to my untrained eye like heroic efforts to protect data of the more evidential variety from being unnecessarily breached to the authorities or the public.

At 10.30pm we got an interview [1], filmed before the undercover reporting broke, with Alexander Nix. Most memorable to me was Mr Nix seemed to attempt to confidently assure us that Dr Aleksandr Kogan had merely shared with them the gradients with which to build additional models upon and had never shared the data harvested from FB as the whistleblower in this article had alleged. We were also either told or given the impression that this was a great big misunderstanding and all part of a spectacularly coordinated attack by journalists who were upset about Trump.

[0] https://www.channel4.com/news/cambridge-analytica-revealed-t...

[1] https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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What indicates that Mark has matured quite a bit since then?

He doesn’t just outright say that stuff anymore. No evidence he doesn’t still think it, but he doesn’t say it.

It's also the kind of thing i'd say to some of my friends as a joke. Maybe he meant it, but in isolation it's not particularly damning.

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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She did say: > there are still generations of people, older people, who were born and bred and marinated in it, in that prejudice and racism, and they just have to die. She didn't actually say white, but what else was she referring to?

> Eine neue wissenschaftliche Wahrheit pflegt sich nicht in der Weise durchzusetzen, daß ihre Gegner überzeugt werden und sich als belehrt erklären, sondern vielmehr dadurch, daß ihre Gegner allmählich aussterben und daß die heranwachsende Generation von vornherein mit der Wahrheit vertraut gemacht ist. > "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather be…

Especially true of the evolution in scientific thought as Thomas Kuhn famously argued: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Structure_of_Scientific_Re...

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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Just get the f### off Facebook, already. If you're the kind of person who votes based on targeted advertising, or the hyperbolic posts of people who vote based on targeted advertising, don't ask Facebook to change. Get the f### off Facebook. If you don't like how Facebook is being used as an addictive propaganda tool by any and all political actors, including Facebook itself, then get the f### off Facebook. Ask the F…

My problem is that they compile information on people whether or not they have a fb profile (the shadow profile). There is something about this (and various other privacy violating aggregators for hire) that really bother me. We should be having a discussion on a broader solution that applies to control of a persons data from all third parties, not just singling out facebook.

This is why I am on the fence between deleting the account and just poisoning the data.

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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I don't think that's really the problem. I mean, Obama's 2012 campaign scraped the data of Facebook friends of people who'd signed into the campaign website in order to figure out the most effective way to convince those friends to vote for him via microtargeting and other techniques, in particular working out which friends their volunteers could most easily convince to vote for him. We're not just talking about gene…

What you talk about Trump campaign is clearly far from the reality: https://youtu.be/zb6-xz-geH4 Starting around 11:00 The CA person clearly shows, from the screenshots, they have personal level targeting to predict whether a person is neurotic or not, what ads should be used to exploit that.

That was their pitch. The campaign considered using them as a hedge against the RNC not providing its data, but ultimately did not use CA for the general election.

Source: ABC News https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-campaign-phased-out-use-o...

Re: Facebook suspended the account of whistleblower who exposed Cambridge Analytica

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https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/oprah-winfrey-old-white-pe... - FALSE

She did say: > there are still generations of people, older people, who were born and bred and marinated in it, in that prejudice and racism, and they just have to die. She didn't actually say white, but what else was she referring to?

This is an extremely common opinion among progressive Southerners of every color.
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