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Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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Well good thing your personal experience translates to all other 25 million people using Thunderbird.

We don't have data, but Mozilla probably do. In lieu we can only guess based on our experiences.

How would Mozilla have the data? Do they embed analytics into all their products now?

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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I have to say I think Mozilla is a complete shambles of an organisation. It must be one of the richest charities in the world with the billions of dollars of commission it earns from search from Google et al. I can't actually believe this is something they're excited to post a blog about. Charity with 9 figures revenue is hiring a developer (finally) to work on a product which has 25 million users. I think Mozilla's…

This whole comment is incorrect.

Firstly, if you bother to read the OP, Mozilla hasn't chosen to hire anyone:

"The Thunderbird Project is hiring for a software engineer! [...] Please note that while the Thunderbird project is a group of individuals separate from the Mozilla Foundation that works to further the Thunderbird email client, the Mozilla Foundation is the Project’s fiscal home."

Secondly, Mozilla is not "one of the richest charities in the world"; the Mozilla Corporation may have $300 million a year in revenue, but the Mozilla Foundation, which is the charity, has revenues that are a hundredth of that. And US law is very specific about what charities may spend revenue on, and developing email client software is not on that list (nor is developing web browser software, for that matter).

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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The most practical, logical, obvious move would to be to reimplement Thunderbird as an Electron app.

But of course that would be untenable for Mozilla because it would be admitting defeat to Chrome.

The problem is that Mozilla has no alternative to Electron. There are a number of false starts and head fakes, but none of them have any buy in or support or future.

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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post #93

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It's a way to be cheap. And honestly hiring through Upwork is a terrible idea.

Lobsters has a nice little rant on upwork's humiliating experience. https://lobste.rs/s/e0uh2y/we_re_hiring_developer_work_on#c_...

I've used Upwork as a freelancer. The last part is false: they never charge transfer fees (at least in the US), and you typically receive funds in 1-2 weeks.

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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That won't work right; it can overflow vertically. Consider the case of a 10x10 image in a container of width 500px and height 100px... Ideally you would want it to end up 100x100, but it will end up 500x500 with that CSS.

Wouldn't it be setting both "max-width" and "max-height" to 100%? Or the background-image / background-size hack.

Believe this is what people are looking for:

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/object-fit

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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post #145

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Wouldn't it be setting both "max-width" and "max-height" to 100%? Or the background-image / background-size hack.

Believe this is what people are looking for: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/object-fit

This works if you set "width: 100%; height: 100%", yes (and "object-fit: contain").

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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post #141

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We don't have data, but Mozilla probably do. In lieu we can only guess based on our experiences.

How would Mozilla have the data? Do they embed analytics into all their products now?

Just one datum, but...download counts?

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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The most important thing here is that there's now a serious plan in place to move Thunderbird off of XUL and XPCOM. If Thunderbird builds can happen without incurring the expense of building Gecko (and there's no reason that shouldn't be the ultimate goal), then community contributions in the form of code changes would likely increase several times over.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo! XUL is really cool. Still one of my favorite GUI kits. It is like electron (but actually native!) and had a good reason to be slow (spidermonkey wasn't super fast) :( XPCOM kinda sucked but it is still better than MS COM

How was XPCOM better than MS COM? Feature set? Nope. Tooling? Nope. Language support? Nope. Ecosystem? Nope. OLE components? Nope. Distributed COM? Nope. Doesn't trigger knee-jerk anti-Microsoft reactionaries even though it's a shallow clone of Microsoft technology? Check.

Did you know that "decomification" was a word?

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=194385

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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post #50
post #6

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Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo! XUL is really cool. Still one of my favorite GUI kits. It is like electron (but actually native!) and had a good reason to be slow (spidermonkey wasn't super fast) :( XPCOM kinda sucked but it is still better than MS COM

It's not that XUL was bad, exactly. But priorities have changed to security, battery life, and multi-threaded performance. The weight of XUL cruft that has built up over time was holding the project back.

Do you think using XML external entities declared in DTD files for localization was a good idea?

https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Tech/XUL/Tu...

Re: Mozilla Is Hiring a Developer to Work on Thunderbird Full-Time

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I wonder if they will oxidize(oxidate? rustify) it...

There need to be a very compelling reason to rewrite 7 million lines of code in a different language. The fact that there were enough of those to rewrite Firefox doesn't mean that it makes sense for other projects.

Firefox hasn't been rewritten, only parts.
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