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Tiny, Wealthy Qatar Goes Its Own Way, and Pays for It

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Re: Tiny, Wealthy Qatar Goes Its Own Way, and Pays for It

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Post by dang »

danmaz74 wrote: post #59
_fwu1 wrote: post #5

Here is my question for HN readers: do you trust this article? Because it tries to fool us. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Europe, US and Turkey was the big alliance which tried to take down Syria. Please check the records western news channels in 2013, it was full of joyful propaganda about Free Syrian Army fighting for democracy in Syria. The actual goal was of course had nothing to do with democracy and Arab spring was tota…

It's the first time I see such a complete garbage Putin-propaganda comment at the top on HN (I won't repeat the reasons here - just read the other top answers). I find it very, very worrying.

This breaks the HN guideline against name-calling in arguments. Just because the rest of the internet is full of this does not make it ok to do here, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are.

Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and post civilly and substantively, or not at all, from now on.

Re: Tiny, Wealthy Qatar Goes Its Own Way, and Pays for It

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geezerjay wrote: post #138
Reason077 wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nobody set out to cause a long-lasting, destructive conflict in Syria. Those who were backing the opposition factions were no doubt hoping for a quick, orderly transition of power. But obviously it didn't work out that way.

> Nobody set out to cause a long-lasting, destructive conflict in Syria. That's precisely the point. Nobody set out to cause long-lasting, destructive conflict in Iraq as well. Furthermore, in Iraq there was a multinational coallition allocating hefty amounts of resourses to ensure a clean politically advantgeous outcome, while the war in Syria would be, according to that conspiracy theory, at best a covert operation…

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Post by ptaipale »

BatFastard wrote: post #139
ptaipale wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, NATO as an organisation will hardly support Kurds either, but I can see that individual NATO members as well as other countries will start giving more and more moral and possibly economical support.

What the Kurds would need is surface to air missile, so they don't get slaughter from the air. Is it even "likely" that you can shoot down a jet with an manually operated anti aircraft gun? Sure it's "possible"

Not likely at all unless you have masses of them (which the Kurds don't have), though they may successfully harass attackers and reduce their bombing accuracy.

Does Turkey have guided bombs? And will they be re-supplied so that Turkish air force could use them at will?

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Post by laumars »

danmaz74 wrote: post #123
mkalygin wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm Russian. And while I agree that we have a propaganda, I can't say that the situation is any better in the West. When I was living in UK for a while, I was amazed by how some really smart people have 100% level of trust to national media, so that they can't even perceive another point of view. All arguments were based on the fact that their media is historically old and never lies because it can't risk its reputat…

I agree with you that there are many people in the West who have (almost) 100% trust in national media, and that that level of trust is misplaced, but I don't agree at all that the situation is the same as in Russia (where I've been and where I know some people). The difference is that here in the West there are lots of agendas being pushed, but there are also lots of competing ones, lots of different points of view,…

When it comes to big issues (eg the UKs EU referendum or national elections in either the US or UK) I don't believe there are a lot of agendas being pushed. If anything, the majority of the mainstream press tend to rally behind the same interests and that position is usually the one that the owners of said news outlet stand to gain the most. (eg leaving the EU, supporting a corporation friendly government such as Trump / Tories, even denying climate change so they have fewer restrictions et al running their business).

Just because there is more choice in "independent" news outlets, it doesn't mean there is more independent opinions being voiced.

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Post by danmaz74 »

dang wrote: post #141
danmaz74 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the first time I see such a complete garbage Putin-propaganda comment at the top on HN (I won't repeat the reasons here - just read the other top answers). I find it very, very worrying.

This breaks the HN guideline against name-calling in arguments. Just because the rest of the internet is full of this does not make it ok to do here, regardless of how wrong someone is or you feel they are. Please read https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and post civilly and substantively, or not at all, from now on.

Sorry, I should have used the "complete garbage" expression.

Re: Tiny, Wealthy Qatar Goes Its Own Way, and Pays for It

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Post by danmaz74 »

laumars wrote: post #145
danmaz74 wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you that there are many people in the West who have (almost) 100% trust in national media, and that that level of trust is misplaced, but I don't agree at all that the situation is the same as in Russia (where I've been and where I know some people). The difference is that here in the West there are lots of agendas being pushed, but there are also lots of competing ones, lots of different points of view,…

When it comes to big issues (eg the UKs EU referendum or national elections in either the US or UK) I don't believe there are a lot of agendas being pushed. If anything, the majority of the mainstream press tend to rally behind the same interests and that position is usually the one that the owners of said news outlet stand to gain the most. (eg leaving the EU, supporting a corporation friendly government such as Tru…

Well, if the NYT or The Guardian aren't mainstream, then what is? And they were both against the outcome of those two situations..

Re: Tiny, Wealthy Qatar Goes Its Own Way, and Pays for It

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Post by laumars »

danmaz74 wrote: post #147
laumars wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When it comes to big issues (eg the UKs EU referendum or national elections in either the US or UK) I don't believe there are a lot of agendas being pushed. If anything, the majority of the mainstream press tend to rally behind the same interests and that position is usually the one that the owners of said news outlet stand to gain the most. (eg leaving the EU, supporting a corporation friendly government such as Tru…

Well, if the NYT or The Guardian aren't mainstream, then what is? And they were both against the outcome of those two situations..

Obviously there are going to be exceptions to the rule, hence why the language I used didn't say "all" or other exclusive terms. However the ratio would seem to be in the favour of right wing politics Vs left wing - and particularly so if you also factor in copies sold of each specific publication into your analysis.
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