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Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by alphadevx »

zlynx wrote: post #123
alphadevx wrote: post #45

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I hope so. On Fedora 26 I still have to drop back to X11 in order to get my XPS13 to properly detect my external monitor (DisplayPort), Wayland will only allow the default lowest resolution with no option to increase it, which is very sad on a 28" 4K screen :-( Will give Fedora 27 a go this evening and see...

I have a very similar setup: a Dell m3800 and a 4K external monitor. Wayland, or rather gnome-shell, seems to do EDID detection a bit differently than Xorg. Getting a higher quality DisplayPort cable fixed it for me. The earlier cable did OK at 30Hz but freaked out trying for 60 Hz. X11 must retry more times, because it would usually manage to make it work for a while on the bad cable, although it still could randoml…

That's what is the issue with my set-up: EDID detection fails, so it defaults back to 1024x768 max resolution, with no way (that I can figure out) to manually override the resolution and refresh rate on Wayland. Tested with Fedora 27 yesterday after upgrading, still not working so back to X11 for me :-(

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by margorczynski »

dualogy wrote: post #35

Major props to the Fedora project, really gotta get this off my chest as I had Yet Another "distro-hopping just still ain't worth it even in 2017" moment yesterday. Somehow I have accumulated 4 laptops still-in-running-condition currently. Every rare once in a while, on a lazy weekend or when caught with a cold, I feel I should experimentally check out other distros and/or DE/WM combos than the singular one that has…

Try out Manjaro, especially the i3 edition

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by keithpeter » 

     [keith@localhost ~]$ locate mp3 | grep lib
     /usr/lib64/libmp3lame.so.0
     /usr/lib64/libmp3lame.so.0.0.0
Fresh install of just Fedora 27 on my test Thinkpad (old X200). Rhythmbox plays mp3s and Audacity exports to mp3. Nice to see.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by baldfat »

mynewtb wrote: post #122
baldfat wrote: post #89

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I no longer use Arch Linux due to breakage. In the six years you didn't have a problem when they switched to systemd and bugged all the config files to null? There have been several times when I pacman -Syu and didn't read the front page and there goes 15 minute to 3 hours. I had several HUGE reports due and I ended up having to go on a different machine and git pull to get them done it time. I never recommend Arch L…

You could set up a nice backup and restore system in less than 3 hours to make sure that software upgrade issues never affect your professional work work. I have that for my personal hobby work even though 6 years Arch have made me appreciate the most stable and predictable system I ever used.

Ugh I remember using btrfs for this. It was never worth the effort and I would have a bunch of little paper cuts or a full drive very quickly.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by lima »

otto_ortega wrote: post #108
subway wrote: post #95

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I know plenty of folks who've ridden motorcycles helmetless for years without any issue. It's a collection of script written in a non-idempotent manner, and run in an uncontrolled, undefined environment. The benefit of binary packages is that you have a reasonable idea that the package will consistently build in a well defined environment (the base build chroot for the OS + the defined dependencies in the package). T…

You are changing your argument... You were originally talking about security and whatever you define as a "clean system" not about stability and robustness and on that regard my point remains valid: Binary packages are not intrinsically more secure that plain text scripts that you can easily audit. If you feel safer because you are executing by hand a bunch of commands that can be automated with a script that's ok. I…

You're replying to the wrong person.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by styfle »

chmln wrote: post #129
ddavis wrote: post #51

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I've used Arch Linux (with Gnome 3, i3, dwm, Xfce, Cinnamon, Mate) for 6 years now and it has (or any of the DE's/WM's have) _never_ bugged out on me (many different laptops and desktops as well). I've only once had a destroyed installation and it was completely my fault. I would actually recommend Arch Linux as a great distribution for getting real work done. I know academic research groups that use it as OS for the…

Its all about the perception. I've been running Arch on testing repos and with the linux-mainline kernel for years now and haven't experienced any major breakage at all. I believe its down to the reputation of Arch Linux - people perceive it as a "bleeding-edge" and "breaking" OS and thus every even minor problem they experience is attributed to the OS and this perception is reinforced. The same people might be scour…

> The same people might be scourging for hours on ubuntuforums because Ubuntu filled up their /boot partition with obsolete kernels and won't boot anymore. But its still perceived as "stable".

This is totally unacceptable. I started using ubuntu in production thinking it was "stable". After 6 months, the server wouldn't boot because of this reason. I don't think I ever manually installed updates. It just updated itself and broke itself.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by JdeBP »

styfle wrote: post #146
chmln wrote: post #129

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Its all about the perception. I've been running Arch on testing repos and with the linux-mainline kernel for years now and haven't experienced any major breakage at all. I believe its down to the reputation of Arch Linux - people perceive it as a "bleeding-edge" and "breaking" OS and thus every even minor problem they experience is attributed to the OS and this perception is reinforced. The same people might be scour…

> The same people might be scourging for hours on ubuntuforums because Ubuntu filled up their /boot partition with obsolete kernels and won't boot anymore. But its still perceived as "stable". This is totally unacceptable. I started using ubuntu in production thinking it was "stable". After 6 months, the server wouldn't boot because of this reason. I don't think I ever manually installed updates. It just updated itse…

You might want to read what Dustin Kirkland wrote here on Hacker News about this about half a year ago.

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14026353

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14027489

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by m45t3r »

type0 wrote: post #116
ddavis wrote: post #51

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I've used Arch Linux (with Gnome 3, i3, dwm, Xfce, Cinnamon, Mate) for 6 years now and it has (or any of the DE's/WM's have) _never_ bugged out on me (many different laptops and desktops as well). I've only once had a destroyed installation and it was completely my fault. I would actually recommend Arch Linux as a great distribution for getting real work done. I know academic research groups that use it as OS for the…

> I know academic research groups that use it as OS for the boxes in their labs and they've never had problems with stability or things working out the box. They're been lucky then, but with Arch never say never. I hope more research boxes would run NixOS to ensure reproducible results.

NixOS does not resolve the problem of updates breaking things unless you don't update your system (same with Arch). It does allow you to rollback in case of problems, however the same is true to Arch if you invest in the proper setup (btrfs snapshots for example).

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by m45t3r »

_0w8t wrote: post #139
nbaksalyar wrote: post #134

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> I experienced those crashes few times out of the blue It largely depends on your graphics driver. Wayland support is almost absent for NVidia but it works very well on Intel and AMD GPUs.

This is with Intel-only laptop (Dell XPS-13).

You may have hit some Skylake GPU bugs, mostly of those are fixed in kernels 4.12+.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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Post by m45t3r »

_0w8t wrote: post #140
an_d_rew wrote: post #135

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... which happens to be the exact opposite of what you want if you’re into deep learning. Sigh.

Can one productively use a video card in a laptop or even in a high-end desktop for machine learning? At work we use a special workstation-type box with 4 NVidea cards. It is not connected to any display and we do not run any remote graphical sections on it that could have used graphical cards. Still it is slow at learning. If not the size of datasets (video in lossless compression), we would use cloud solutions.

Yeah, you can actually do it. Just run desktop in your integrated Intel GPU and CUDA in NVIDIA discrete GPU.
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