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Re: Fedora 27 released

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What's the HiDPI situation (with KDE or Gnome) today? Last I checked, I could drive an HiDPI display without problems, but not the LoDPI display by its side, because you couldn't do independent scaling of the displays. Has that changed, yet?

This is supported by GNOME Shell 3.26 which I'm currently running under Ubuntu 17.10.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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The biggest change I'm waiting for is fractional scaling support for Gnome under Weyland. This is achievable under X using some combination of integer scaling and xrandr, and Ubuntu 17.04 had support for it out of the box via the gui (not sure of the underlying implementation). Fortunately this change is expected in Gnome 3.28, which is only a few months away. Having that will mean a lot to those of us using HiDPI di…

This is exactly what I'm waiting for. The moment it's stable in a reasonable distro, I'm trying it on one of the fancy 8th gen Intel laptops with it and if everything works as expected, I'll get my first non-Mac computer in over half a decade.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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post #65
post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've used Arch Linux (with Gnome 3, i3, dwm, Xfce, Cinnamon, Mate) for 6 years now and it has (or any of the DE's/WM's have) _never_ bugged out on me (many different laptops and desktops as well). I've only once had a destroyed installation and it was completely my fault. I would actually recommend Arch Linux as a great distribution for getting real work done. I know academic research groups that use it as OS for the…

That's fair. I know all these work for many systems and people. Maybe I have different tolerance threshold as to what constitutes "bugginess". Just happened yesterday again with latest suse and antergos on a ~3yo Thinkpad I wanted to freshen up. Just had to shout out my heartfelt props here =)

I think a lot of it is that leaky abstractions don't get noticed by folks with a firm understanding of what's happening under the hood, but present themselves as bugs to folks who haven't spent as much time on lower parts of the stack.

The result is what one person think of as a bug is another person's obvious limitation.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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If you are planning to try Fedora, here is my recommendation to get an astonishingly great set up in no time: - Do a fresh install - Use Fedy [0] install with a single click pretty much any development IDE you may need plus other must-have tools (Skype, Dropbox, VirtualBox, TeamViewer, etc...) - Install the "dash to panel" Gnome extension [1] - Use Fedy to install Numix or Arch as themes and "pimp" your GUI ;) - Enjo…

Fedy looks interesting, but I couldn't figure out how it works. Is it like another package manager, or can I use dnf to manage/update the packages it installs?

Worse, it's just a collection of shell scripts:

https://github.com/folkswithhats/fedy/blob/master/plugins/an...

It does no signature validation whatsoever or dependency tracking.

Don't use it if you care about security or a clean system.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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If you are planning to try Fedora, here is my recommendation to get an astonishingly great set up in no time: - Do a fresh install - Use Fedy [0] install with a single click pretty much any development IDE you may need plus other must-have tools (Skype, Dropbox, VirtualBox, TeamViewer, etc...) - Install the "dash to panel" Gnome extension [1] - Use Fedy to install Numix or Arch as themes and "pimp" your GUI ;) - Enjo…

Fedy looks interesting, but I couldn't figure out how it works. Is it like another package manager, or can I use dnf to manage/update the packages it installs?

After initially recoiling in horror at running a `curl|bash` installer, I opened the installer in a browser planning on reading the install script. "Helpfully" the script is served up as `binary/octet-stream`, so instead of looking at it in the browser, I got to open it in an editor.

From there, it looks like the script does little more than add the `rpmfusion-free-release`, `rpmfusion-nonfree-release` and `folkswithhats-release` repositories. Of course since we started the install process through a shady insecure means, we should add the repos the same way. So every repo gets added via `dnf -y --nogpgcheck install https://url-to-repo-release-package`.

I went to browse the `folkswithhats` repo, but found it's hosted on AWS S3 and doesn't provide a directory index.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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If you are planning to try Fedora, here is my recommendation to get an astonishingly great set up in no time: - Do a fresh install - Use Fedy [0] install with a single click pretty much any development IDE you may need plus other must-have tools (Skype, Dropbox, VirtualBox, TeamViewer, etc...) - Install the "dash to panel" Gnome extension [1] - Use Fedy to install Numix or Arch as themes and "pimp" your GUI ;) - Enjo…

Fedy looks interesting, but I couldn't figure out how it works. Is it like another package manager, or can I use dnf to manage/update the packages it installs?

It is not another package manager, it is an utility to automate the process of installing/uninstalling software that normally won't be available under the software manager application that comes with Fedora.

It will add the repos, dependencies and execute all other steps that you will have to do manually otherwise, to have any of the programs supported installed on your PC.

After that you can manage any of them with dnf.

It is a great utility, extremely useful.

Here is a bunch of screenshots of all the things you can install with one click using Fedy:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/oakue3yuc287ioq/AAARUn9Usi3IgaA27...

Re: Fedora 27 released

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post #35

Major props to the Fedora project, really gotta get this off my chest as I had Yet Another "distro-hopping just still ain't worth it even in 2017" moment yesterday. Somehow I have accumulated 4 laptops still-in-running-condition currently. Every rare once in a while, on a lazy weekend or when caught with a cold, I feel I should experimentally check out other distros and/or DE/WM combos than the singular one that has…

I have OpenSUSE on 6 machines and my milage has been SUSE works great out of the box. Every once in a while I'll have a issue with a Ethernet card, but that is usually a 5 minute fix.

I have to say that Linux seems to be the least frustrating installs I ever do. Apple and Windows still drive me nuts at times.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fedy looks interesting, but I couldn't figure out how it works. Is it like another package manager, or can I use dnf to manage/update the packages it installs?

After initially recoiling in horror at running a `curl|bash` installer, I opened the installer in a browser planning on reading the install script. "Helpfully" the script is served up as `binary/octet-stream`, so instead of looking at it in the browser, I got to open it in an editor. From there, it looks like the script does little more than add the `rpmfusion-free-release`, `rpmfusion-nonfree-release` and `folkswith…

You are overly paranoid... The GitHub repo is literally the first thing that shows up when searching for "Fedy" on Google:

https://github.com/folkswithhats/fedy

If the "--nogpgcheck" bothers you, a simple text replace over the source code solves it.

Same with the "curl|bash" thing, you are not obligated to run it that way, you can just clone the repo and run it however you want, it is open source!

It is funny the way people overreact with things like this with projects that are open source but are ok installed closed source software and feel safe because they got them from the official repos...

Re: Fedora 27 released

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post #51
post #35

Major props to the Fedora project, really gotta get this off my chest as I had Yet Another "distro-hopping just still ain't worth it even in 2017" moment yesterday. Somehow I have accumulated 4 laptops still-in-running-condition currently. Every rare once in a while, on a lazy weekend or when caught with a cold, I feel I should experimentally check out other distros and/or DE/WM combos than the singular one that has…

I've used Arch Linux (with Gnome 3, i3, dwm, Xfce, Cinnamon, Mate) for 6 years now and it has (or any of the DE's/WM's have) _never_ bugged out on me (many different laptops and desktops as well). I've only once had a destroyed installation and it was completely my fault. I would actually recommend Arch Linux as a great distribution for getting real work done. I know academic research groups that use it as OS for the…

I no longer use Arch Linux due to breakage. In the six years you didn't have a problem when they switched to systemd and bugged all the config files to null? There have been several times when I pacman -Syu and didn't read the front page and there goes 15 minute to 3 hours.

I had several HUGE reports due and I ended up having to go on a different machine and git pull to get them done it time. I never recommend Arch Linux for anything beside personal hobby work.

Re: Fedora 27 released

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post #67
post #35

Major props to the Fedora project, really gotta get this off my chest as I had Yet Another "distro-hopping just still ain't worth it even in 2017" moment yesterday. Somehow I have accumulated 4 laptops still-in-running-condition currently. Every rare once in a while, on a lazy weekend or when caught with a cold, I feel I should experimentally check out other distros and/or DE/WM combos than the singular one that has…

Installing Fedora on my laptop with an nvidia graphics card was a frustrating experience, but I don't know if it's any better for other distros. The install process was insanely slow, but more frustratingly certain input fields would register a single keypress as anywhere from 1 to 30 keypresses. I knew there was issues with nvidia cards, but wasn't ready for the keypress issue. I was still able to get a basic instal…

OpenSUSE gives you the option to use the blobs or the opensource drivers. I use the evil blobs which will never be officially supported on Fedora.
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