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Sugar alters hormones and metabolism, sets stage for obesity and diabetes
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#142This is the truth. There's a lot more to this - so much so that I decided to make a documentary about it. I don't mean to promote it (there is nothing to promote yet, for now it's just a website), but here it is if anyone is interested http://FoodLies.org I have one of these thought leader doctors on board. Would love any feedback or help from the community to get this made.
I don't know how the film will be, but based on the short quips on the homepage, it seems Alan Aragon's quote from 2016 won't be far off: https://www.facebook.com/alan.aragon.796/posts/1015548460098...
Well, in the best case I guess, seems you think the textbook is just a bunch of lies and there won't even be half of the pages left in there?
Just hoping that you won't further the spread of the many myths about nutrition that are so popular today. There are for instance actually still people who don't think calories in vs calories out determines weight change.
The relevant question of course is what determines calories in and out if you aren't counting it manually.
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#143Fad diets like keto offer something very important, a model of nutrition. Currently heuristic based eating like "natural" or "non-processed" work, but the knowledge doesn't compound and is brittle. In eastern cultures especially there is a huge body of heuristics for eating. In Chinese culture there is a concept of hot/cold foods and despite it not being accepted in the west, it still has predictive ability above cha…
I tried keto for a very short time, found it difficult to meet such dietary restrictions. Not gonna be shocked if we find out in 10 years that eating keto is actually horrible for your cholesterol or something, and then it's gonna be too late for the early adopters. As an anecdote, I noticed some people advocating that diet literally eat bacon and steak all the time and justify it. They're probably gonna have major h…
Not many people can afford 2000 calories of steak every day. Result from anecdotal evidence: "eating steak causes health loss."
> Most of our popular models of diet are basically unscientific quackery.
The most conventional holds up: the one that consuming too many calories causes one to gain weight, and consuming not enough calories causes one to lose weight.
If I'd go with what's popular on my gf's FB, I'd end up believing vegan diet is the panacea. We're living in our bubbles. Your mistake in thinking is the assumption that diets like keto and atkins are popular. They're not popular. They're just hypes in certain circles like silicon valley.
Another thing you'll find is that there are government (based on science) recommended daily intake on things like vitamin D, iron, vitamin B12, etc etc and with a keto diet or high carb diet or whatever diet this may be difficult to reach. Although that's not directly related to weight, it is related to health.
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, the article is saying that people are getting obese and diabetic because of sugar. Its further pointing out that there are calories ("sugars") which make it much easier to gain weight. I didn't disagree there either. The article never claims that you can eat any amount of calories as long as you leave carbs from the table. And thats the only thing i pointed out. Because thats just plain wrong. If you eat too many…
You are getting lost in semantics, because if you are saying: there are calories ("sugars") which make it much easier to gain weight. Then a calorie isn't a calorie.
Calories are calories (it's literally a measure of energy!) The packages they come in will effect hormonal and psychological responses differently which may affect the amount you would take in if intake is left unmonitored. To that extent, it's wise to take in foods which don't nudge you towards over consuming, but if you can be disciplined and take in a quantity of energy less than you expend on a consistent basis, eating that intake as sugar rather than other macros isn't going to magically make you gain weight.
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#145But why has obesity not been such a problem in the past, despite sugar being available? One point to make from the article, though: "They suggested that the physician-authors were trying to con the obese with the fraudulent argument that they could become lean without doing the hard work of curbing their perverted appetites." If you want to really confuse what's going on, turn to moralism. Desire to judge and to avoi…
Sugar was not readily available until relatively recently.
> Sugar was not readily available until relatively recently.
Fruit?
I'd put my money on a relation between abundance of food plus obesity because too high calorie intake is the main culprit of obesity.
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
Considering that many essential nutrients are provided by plants which also provide sugars, you'd have to eat synthetic 'food' in order to avoid all sugars.
> Considering that many essential nutrients are provided by plants None that I can think of that are proven "essential" in the absence of all carbs. "Phytonutrients" aren't proven essential. Vitamin C ("ascorbic acid") is 100% inessential & optional in the presence of plenty of the ( actually essential) ascorbic molecules that are all furnished by fresh meat, including carnitine, creatine etc. For homo sapiens, there…
Late edit: of course none of this disputes or negates "that many essential nutrients are provided by plants" --- many indeed are. Just none that are essential that aren't furnished in sufficient amounts in a sizable helping of fresh-fatty-mammal-meat =) but the parent didn't even say "only by plants" so not sure why I reacted as if he did
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
Here's an anecdote the other direction. One of our employees decided to cut out fast food completely. Total weight loss in over 6 months of doing this? 0 pounds. Why? Because his at-home diet was still full of sugar and carbs (and he admitted as much..."I'll never give up bread!") Meanwhile, I did a low-carb "lazy Keto" diet where all I did was keep carbs under 20g net per day. I continued to eat fast food at least a…
The million dollar question is: "Did you (w/your N=1) try the exact same calories as your keto diet, but then with more carbs?" No, you did not, and because it is hard to eat foods which adhere to the keto formula you lose weight on a keto diet. What people also fail to mention with their anecdotal evidence is their age and gender. It is relevant because young bodies and brains are still growing, increasing calorie d…
Carbs increase insulin. Insulin increases the level of lipoprotein lipase (LPL) in your body. LPL dictates how much energy you store as white fat. No carbs --> low insulin --> low LPL.
So FWIW @ericabiz is correct "It really is the carbs and sugar that do you in".
You also responded to @kichuku regarding sugar being sugar:
> The natural in sugar is irrelevant. Sugar is sugar; as in fructose is fructose, and glucose is glucose.
Not exactly. Fructose doesn't initiate an insulin response in the body... so it doesn't increase LPL... there are other problems with fructose but the 'natural' in the sugar shouldn't be dismissed.
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oddly enough, I can share an anecdote too. After a health scare, I decided to change my diet. I didn't think that I was self disciplined enough to count calories, so I arbitrarily eliminated certain things from my diet, most notably butter. My exercise didn't change much: Cycling to work every day. I got a new bike, but it didn't make me go that much faster. Within a few months, I went from 175 to 150 pounds (about 7…
I remember reading a study that indicated that simple carbs combined with fat are worse than either fat or simple carbs alone. I can't find the study at the moment, but the gist of it was that a high fat, high sugar, meal will be metabolized differently than either in isolation and also that it triggers cravings for more fat and sugar. So, a keto diet is fine. Eating bread every now and then is fine. But, something l…
I saw that study. I never saw if they kept the amount of protein people ate constant. Do you know? It seems mysteriously lacking the third macronutrient. And I can't tell from the article if there was a control "eat fat and carb" group.
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#149I would like to share an anecdote. In March 2016, I was weighing 96 kilograms (211.64 pounds). I made just one change during that time which is to stop having anything with sugar. I continued to take other natural sweeteners like jaggery and honey. The rest of my diet remained the same and my activity level remained the same ( I work in IT as a network engineer in a desk job) In October 2016, I was weighing 72 kilos…
I cut thirty pounds in four weeks (yes, thirty pounds in four weeks, the first twenty of which were gone in two) by making no change in my behavior or diet other than cutting out the sugar I was putting in my coffee. I drink coffee all day long as a programmer, and used quite a ton of sugar. Double or triple what you're thinking. Anyway, the only change I made was cutting out that sugar, and I dropped thirty pounds i…
Good for you! You should know, though, that this is primarily water weight lost, and it's common when first starting a diet. 30lbs of fat lost would be a caloric deficit of around 100k calories. Don't get discouraged if you can't replicate that result with further time. What's the change in your waist size been like?
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#150Earlier quoted context omitted.
As I mentioned above, removing butter also resulted in the elimination of other things from my diet.
Perhaps you removed bread?
Yes, that was probably a lot of it. I have no doubt that my caloric intake decreased more than just from butter, and next on the list would most likely be carbs. I started eating more of some other things such as lean meats and beans.