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Sugar alters hormones and metabolism, sets stage for obesity and diabetes

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Re: Sugar alters hormones and metabolism, sets stage for obesity and diabetes

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I would like to share an anecdote. In March 2016, I was weighing 96 kilograms (211.64 pounds). I made just one change during that time which is to stop having anything with sugar. I continued to take other natural sweeteners like jaggery and honey. The rest of my diet remained the same and my activity level remained the same ( I work in IT as a network engineer in a desk job) In October 2016, I was weighing 72 kilos…

In other words you eliminated a significant portion of your daily calories, resulting in a net loss of calories per day. Had you been overeating something other than sugar (eg fried food) and eliminated that instead the outcome would have been the same.

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Re: Sugar alters hormones and metabolism, sets stage for obesity and diabetes

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But why has obesity not been such a problem in the past, despite sugar being available? One point to make from the article, though: "They suggested that the physician-authors were trying to con the obese with the fraudulent argument that they could become lean without doing the hard work of curbing their perverted appetites." If you want to really confuse what's going on, turn to moralism. Desire to judge and to avoi…

Sugar was not readily available until relatively recently.

Re: Sugar alters hormones and metabolism, sets stage for obesity and diabetes

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I would like to share an anecdote. In March 2016, I was weighing 96 kilograms (211.64 pounds). I made just one change during that time which is to stop having anything with sugar. I continued to take other natural sweeteners like jaggery and honey. The rest of my diet remained the same and my activity level remained the same ( I work in IT as a network engineer in a desk job) In October 2016, I was weighing 72 kilos…

I lost ~10Kg and all of my belly fat after cutting off cakes and cookies (the only sugary things left in my diet). I still eat plenty of carbs though (bread/pasta/semolina/müesli/fruits and sometimes honey). I've stabilized at a weight slightly below the one I had when I was 18.

It freaked me out initially, I didn't expect such a large (or any) drop.

Re: Sugar alters hormones and metabolism, sets stage for obesity and diabetes

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The CDC says 34% of US adults have pre-diabetes, and of those, 88% are undiagnosed[1]. Yes, about 29% of US adults have un-diagnosed pre-diabetes, or about 74 million people. I think a significant cause is that testing blood glucose is thought of as something that only diabetics do, and as a result, most people have no idea how their bodies respond to meals they'd consider normal. The feedback loop is completely open…

You can do an a1c test at home or in the doctor to identify chronically elevated glucose (prediabetes). It's insensitive to time of day or fasting status you can just take it every few years or so at your convenience. Continuous blood sugar monitoring is probably overkill given how easy and cheap a1c tests are now. Blood pressure, on the other hand, is still a nightmare. A good way of reliably and simply measuring re…

A1c test at home? I had no idea, thanks for sharing this!

Re: Sugar alters hormones and metabolism, sets stage for obesity and diabetes

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post #10

I would like to share an anecdote. In March 2016, I was weighing 96 kilograms (211.64 pounds). I made just one change during that time which is to stop having anything with sugar. I continued to take other natural sweeteners like jaggery and honey. The rest of my diet remained the same and my activity level remained the same ( I work in IT as a network engineer in a desk job) In October 2016, I was weighing 72 kilos…

> I continued to take other natural sweeteners like jaggery and honey.

The natural in sugar is irrelevant. Sugar is sugar; as in fructose is fructose, and glucose is glucose.

Re: Sugar alters hormones and metabolism, sets stage for obesity and diabetes

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Fad diets like keto offer something very important, a model of nutrition. Currently heuristic based eating like "natural" or "non-processed" work, but the knowledge doesn't compound and is brittle. In eastern cultures especially there is a huge body of heuristics for eating. In Chinese culture there is a concept of hot/cold foods and despite it not being accepted in the west, it still has predictive ability above cha…

I tried keto for a very short time, found it difficult to meet such dietary restrictions. Not gonna be shocked if we find out in 10 years that eating keto is actually horrible for your cholesterol or something, and then it's gonna be too late for the early adopters. As an anecdote, I noticed some people advocating that diet literally eat bacon and steak all the time and justify it. They're probably gonna have major h…

What I see happening is many morbidly obese people who adhere to keto will initially drop weight, roughly until their BMI reaches around the upper normal range. Then CICO kicks in with a vengeance, and they have to be much more careful compared to before. Keto is a useful on-ramp for many to a fitness (or at least more-fit) lifestyle, but not a magic bullet, and I don't see anyone claiming you can skip counting calories while on keto, then still reach 12-15% body fat, and reveal abs. If you see someone writing that, then yes, they're quacks.

My personal rough rule of thumb is once you reach the low 20s percentage body fat, you either keep increasing cardio (preferably HIIT), or dropping counted calories, until your moving average weekly weight keeps trending down. Fit keto around that or even drop it, and it won't matter (unless you're the same subtype diabetic like me, and then keto is an essential ingredient to avoiding medication).

If you go in once a quarter for a VAP lipid panel (the most extensive lipid panel I could find), then as long as those numbers trend in the right direction, keep on doing whatever works for you. After being diagnosed with Type 2 and having to figure out myself how to beat the fucker into remission, I've concluded that medical science can give rough guidelines for describing metabolic processes, but it is up to each of us to hack our own bodies. Try one change, test the change with measurements, and repeat; commit the changes that work, fork away from the changes that don't, accept failures and setbacks as signals of what not to do, and move on.

Re: Sugar alters hormones and metabolism, sets stage for obesity and diabetes

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear these anecdotes in many forms, and in my experience the real shared causative factor is making a decision to change, and acting on it. I don't know if it matters what that change is, as long as it's healthy and changes the math of caloriesin - caloriesout. In other words, I wonder if it's the decision and willingness to make hard changes, rather than the specific nature of those changes, which is the real acti…

Here's an anecdote the other direction. One of our employees decided to cut out fast food completely. Total weight loss in over 6 months of doing this? 0 pounds. Why? Because his at-home diet was still full of sugar and carbs (and he admitted as much..."I'll never give up bread!") Meanwhile, I did a low-carb "lazy Keto" diet where all I did was keep carbs under 20g net per day. I continued to eat fast food at least a…

The million dollar question is: "Did you (w/your N=1) try the exact same calories as your keto diet, but then with more carbs?" No, you did not, and because it is hard to eat foods which adhere to the keto formula you lose weight on a keto diet.

What people also fail to mention with their anecdotal evidence is their age and gender. It is relevant because young bodies and brains are still growing, increasing calorie demand compared to a middle age adult.

> It really is the carbs and sugar that do you in, no matter how organic or home-cooked/homemade those carbs may be.

It really is the calories that do you in, no matter what type of calories or how you restrict yourself otherwise. All the diets are just some kind of abacadabra (or facade or placebo effect if you will) to make you focused on your calories intake, for example with specific rules about having to avoid certain products or ingredients which make it difficult to follow so that e.g. the subject cannot snack in between meals.

If you take in a lot less calories than the amount you require, you'll burn fat quicker. You'll lose weight quicker as well (although if you also start exercise, muscles weight more than fat). A lot more calories leads to building up fat quicker and gaining weight quicker. Both, eventually, until you are on the level of your calorie intake.

It furthermore also stands to reason that something with sugar is more difficult to limit than keto products because the former is more tastier. From an evolutionary PoV it makes sense because the sugar from fruits was a quick way to give us energy.

Furthermore, you should ask yourself whether the ingredients of the high carb food are needed. You'll find that you don't need them in the first place, possibly not in the amounts you eat them, but if you eat one cookie with the coffee in the evening that doesn't suddenly "ruin your health" because it is high on sugar. It doesn't "ruin your diet" either. The problem is that people cannot stick with one cookie in the evening with coffee. They snack far more, between meals. Yeah that adds up. Look on the packages and do the maths.

All the bad stuff is on the packages as well, very convenient: saturated fat, sugar, and salt. What a coincidence that our governments demand this being listed!

Re: Sugar alters hormones and metabolism, sets stage for obesity and diabetes

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If butter is the only thing you removed from your diet, you must have been eating an incredible amount of it?!

There is _no_ amount of butter (or fat, in general) that you can eat that will make you gain weight, provided there is no sugar in your diet. You will physically not be able to eat more than your body can deal with, this is because fat, unlike sugar, triggers the i-am-full hormones which make food impossible to eat.

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Re: Sugar alters hormones and metabolism, sets stage for obesity and diabetes

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post #10

I would like to share an anecdote. In March 2016, I was weighing 96 kilograms (211.64 pounds). I made just one change during that time which is to stop having anything with sugar. I continued to take other natural sweeteners like jaggery and honey. The rest of my diet remained the same and my activity level remained the same ( I work in IT as a network engineer in a desk job) In October 2016, I was weighing 72 kilos…

I cut thirty pounds in four weeks (yes, thirty pounds in four weeks, the first twenty of which were gone in two) by making no change in my behavior or diet other than cutting out the sugar I was putting in my coffee. I drink coffee all day long as a programmer, and used quite a ton of sugar. Double or triple what you're thinking. Anyway, the only change I made was cutting out that sugar, and I dropped thirty pounds in four weeks.
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