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Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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Post by owebmaster »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #84
owebmaster wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Before WeChat people also "prefered" separate apps. That is why I'm calling it a true innovation.

People outside of mainland china (including Hong Kong and Taiwan) still prefer separate apps, and WeChat has been unable to acquire any significant marketshare outside of mainland Chinese users. Heck, even newly opened Myanmar is already dominated by google and Facebook. The GFW has severely crippled the web, coupled with the lack of card usage, created a situation that made wechat work for mainland china and can't r…

> The GFW has severely crippled the web, coupled with the lack of card usage, created a situation that made wechat work for mainland china and can't really be replicated anywhere else.

Until it can. This happens in tech regularly.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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Post by justicezyx »

yzmtf2008 wrote: post #106
justicezyx wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but you learn that in a country you described as teaching to respect hierarchy, did you not find the contradictory? Almost any books in China described the country as founded by overthrowing the rich and powerful oppressed the people. Certainly the government is the rich and powerful and is no longer what it should be as described in the text book. But is it appropriate to fabricate statements to patron the wes…

> The only century routinely teach her citizen about how to do revolution, and is called to respect hierarchy > Sure, but you learn that in a country you described as teaching to respect hierarchy, did you not find the contradictory? I'm not sure where the contradictory is, because I certainly don't feel that overthrowing your superiors is an acceptable thing during my education, and this discussion is getting more p…

1. I am not talking about politics, please do not label or imply whatn I stated. Chinese textbook devote significant part on history from 1840 to recent years. Those are a history of revolutions.

2. Chinese are not particularly taught to respect hierarchy or particularly really respect hierarchy. Most nations respect their own hierarchy. There is no special in China, and there is no special in Chinese education.

3. I am not debating if China respecting hierarchy, I am pointing out that your baseless claim of China being educating or particularly educating her citizens to respect hierarchy, that's not true and I showed the fact.

4. Respecting hierarchy is not a problem itself. Organized system, be it human or machine, needs hierarchy to function. Your premise of moving away from hierarchy is GOOD, itself is another unbased claim, AGAIN.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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Post by justicezyx »

viraptor wrote: post #110
justicezyx wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

She was calling out common traits for people then trying to label them Chinese, and readers, like you, suddenly feel "interesting"... > how overseas Chinese students in America all copy each others work to get answers? Student colluding is any special? I was college ta before, I do not think there is ever a class students do not copy each other.

There's a difference between some students going that way for whatever reason -vs- copying work being absolutely normal and generally expecting that this is the way to go. There are many articles talking about it if you google. Some connect it to "you advance to a university or stay rural with your family forever" situation, some with other factors.

No, Chinese stidents, as claimed in another post, were taught to respect hierarchy. Their colluding is the result that it's a working way of game the system.

But is there anything special?

Gaming the system is the human nature.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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Post by justicezyx »

justicezyx wrote: post #102
aleyan wrote: post #87

> Even now, engineers are not held in anywhere near the same regard in China as they are in the West. I have to respectfully disagree with the author on the esteem of engineers in China versus the West. I am not Chinese, nor an expert on their culture, but I do live in the West so I understand half of the equation. Current President of China, Xi Jinping was educated as a chemical engineer[1]. His predecessor Hu Jinta…

Mr jiangzemin had a paper on the roadmap on it in 2008. In that paper he said the country should invest in GPU and ml&ai. Mr jiangzemin is a true engineer with a huge leadership vision.

Why this is down voted? The report on this is censored because of political fight.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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Post by justicezyx »

rout39574 wrote: post #139
ivanhoe wrote: post #128

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isn't that how any political party works?

More or less; but I think the point is, that by denying the power-struggle dynamic and punishing people who talk about it, communist structures in fact amplify it. So in a democracy, there's all that behind the scenes tussel, but there's also an important aspect of public advocacy and decision testing. None of that in China; the politburo says what it's going to say, and then does what it's going to do.

> None of that in China; the politburo says what it's going to say, and then does what it's going to do.

Thats not what happened in China. In China government invest heavily in propaganda and mind manipulation, they do not automatically push anything and everyone just follow blindly.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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Post by justicezyx »

simonh wrote: post #138
ivanhoe wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

isn't that how any political party works?

Yes, but at the end of the day it's the voters that decide whether you get actual power or not. Imagine if it was the Republican National Committee that appointed the President of the United States. Not just now, but always.

Voters decided too in China. Electoral system and people's representatives are about the same level.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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Post by ptorrone »

for some context.

the "community" on hacker news has said limor (ladyada) fried is not a "real engineer" or she has help and doesn't really do engineering, or she is not a real person, or she is just a marketer, or it's not really her code, amongst other attacks anytime her work appears here on hacker news.

the same attacks on hacker news on naomi wu have been said to other women who make things, share their projects, and are online, including limor, on hacker news.

before you hit "add comment" - what is the goal here hacker news community?

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

#148

Post by seanmcdirmid »

owebmaster wrote: post #141
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People outside of mainland china (including Hong Kong and Taiwan) still prefer separate apps, and WeChat has been unable to acquire any significant marketshare outside of mainland Chinese users. Heck, even newly opened Myanmar is already dominated by google and Facebook. The GFW has severely crippled the web, coupled with the lack of card usage, created a situation that made wechat work for mainland china and can't r…

> The GFW has severely crippled the web, coupled with the lack of card usage, created a situation that made wechat work for mainland china and can't really be replicated anywhere else. Until it can. This happens in tech regularly.

Wechat simply has never had to compete with worldwide services. We can say it beat Facebook and google, but that would be stupid because both of those are blocked and have been for a long time. The fact that Chinese internet services are spurned in China's own backyard is telling.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

#149

Post by owebmaster »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #148
owebmaster wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The GFW has severely crippled the web, coupled with the lack of card usage, created a situation that made wechat work for mainland china and can't really be replicated anywhere else. Until it can. This happens in tech regularly.

Wechat simply has never had to compete with worldwide services. We can say it beat Facebook and google, but that would be stupid because both of those are blocked and have been for a long time. The fact that Chinese internet services are spurned in China's own backyard is telling.

Facebook & Google has never had to compete with worldwide services, too. Only US services.

Re: Lu Ban's axe and working with your Chinese suppliers

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Post by simonh »

justicezyx wrote: post #146
simonh wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but at the end of the day it's the voters that decide whether you get actual power or not. Imagine if it was the Republican National Committee that appointed the President of the United States. Not just now, but always.

Voters decided too in China. Electoral system and people's representatives are about the same level.

My wife is Chinese. None of my Chinese relatives has ever had a vote for anyone in government.
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