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Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by paradite »

bostand wrote: post #129
paradite wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The situation is entirely the other way round here in Singapore (for the younger generation). I used to run Linux on a laptop, but eventually I gave up and switched to Macbook so that I don't have to deal with drivers and low-level config issues on a daily basis. In my university, 60%-70% of CS students use a Macbook. They are not working or attending conferences yet, so the change is going to take some time.

"deal with drivers and low-level config issues on a daily basis" What in gods name are you talking about? Are you using a distro from 1995?

I ran Ubuntu 12.04 on a Lenovo laptop for a year or so.

The graphics and wifi drivers broke down every now and then and sometimes it broke the OS completely so I had to reinstall the OS.

Need to fix multiple config issues and compatibility issues when I wanted to install some Linux-alternatives for Windows applications.

Plus I need to do video editing and Android apps so I still have to constantly switch back to Windows with dual-boot.

Mac just seems to be a perfect balance, giving you all the standard terminal stuff plus everything just runs out of the box.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by thearn4 »

manaskarekar wrote: post #23

Most Loved Language: Rust Most Wanted Language: Python It's good to see these two languages win out these categories! Good things lie ahead (hopefully).

These two lists made a lot more sense to me than the "most popular technologies" category. Which I think should be worded "Most common languages for questions" or something along those lines.

But like others have said, I need to double check that I'm not living in a bubble while the rest of the technical world openly and not-ironically loves javascript.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by thehardsphere »

ihsw2 wrote: post #69

Is gender and ethnic background of developers relevant?

Some people consider it to be. It's something people are at least curious about. There is a claim that "not enough X" go into software, where X is women or minorities or both, for various hypothesized reasons that seem very difficult to test for.

One that's particularly interesting to me and at least has some semi-plausible story is that the way personal computers were marketed in the US ended up influencing the perception of the computer as something male, even though prior to 1980 women made up a larger share of working programmers than they do today.

What I would find interesting from this survey is whether the gender breakdown between specializations changes when nationality is an additional factor. Because in my own limited experience, there are plenty of women who are competent developers, but I've only known one born in the US (n=8, but I work at a small company and this is is at least a double-digit percentage of the engineering staff)

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

#144

Post by thearn4 »

paradite wrote: post #141
bostand wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"deal with drivers and low-level config issues on a daily basis" What in gods name are you talking about? Are you using a distro from 1995?

I ran Ubuntu 12.04 on a Lenovo laptop for a year or so. The graphics and wifi drivers broke down every now and then and sometimes it broke the OS completely so I had to reinstall the OS. Need to fix multiple config issues and compatibility issues when I wanted to install some Linux-alternatives for Windows applications. Plus I need to do video editing and Android apps so I still have to constantly switch back to Wind…

I ran a debian-based distro on a Lenovo thinkpad in graduate school from 2008 to about 2011. I had basically the same experience. Everything worked 95% of the time, but that other 5% felt entirely random and pretty dehabilitating.

Now I use a mix of Win, OS X, and Ubuntu depending on what I am trying to accomplish. I make heavy use of Linux servers, but have no inclination of using one as a primary end-user desktop environment again.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by peterjlee »

flurdy wrote: post #22

Shows you effects of the echo chamber you are in, as I was very surprised that Scala was only at 3.6%, and beaten by Go at 4.3 and Swift at 6.5% in the programming language section. The self-selection of people I follow on Twitter, the meetups and conferences I attend, the choice of companies and colleagues I have worked with, etc, probably just reinforce my blinkered echo chamber. This is probably true for many Hask…

Visual Studio is the most used IDE and somehow I don't know a single person who uses Visual Studio.

http://stackoverflow.com/insights/survey/2017/#technology-mo...

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

#146

Post by CaptSpify »

paradite wrote: post #141
bostand wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"deal with drivers and low-level config issues on a daily basis" What in gods name are you talking about? Are you using a distro from 1995?

I ran Ubuntu 12.04 on a Lenovo laptop for a year or so. The graphics and wifi drivers broke down every now and then and sometimes it broke the OS completely so I had to reinstall the OS. Need to fix multiple config issues and compatibility issues when I wanted to install some Linux-alternatives for Windows applications. Plus I need to do video editing and Android apps so I still have to constantly switch back to Wind…

I love linux, and use it as my daily machine for work and home. But whenever I mention to others in the community that we really need to clean up this crap, and make our systems reliable instead of flashy, they treat me like I'm insane. It's amazing to me that we still have sound, wifi, and display issues that need to be solved with shitty hacks in 2017.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by notduncansmith »

pjmlp wrote: post #122
sremani wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, we should be proud of creating Software that works and works great. Not the languages we develop in. The one main lesson if there is I learnt from 13 years of development is, keep the dev stack boring!

Whenever a kid comes around with the cool idea lets rewrite this in X, they need to explain me the business value of the proposal, like in, how will that change the monetary outcome of a project.

Isn't the implicit argument for any refactor/rewrite essentially increased velocity?

"This change will allow us to do X in Y days when normally it would take some multiple of Y."

It sounds like what you want is a more salient list of pain points in the current development environment and exactly how the proposed new thing would address them. Additionally, you'd want to hear the new set of pain points that the new thing will impose (cue the quote about some devs knowing the value of everything and the cost of nothing).

You may also, for their benefit, direct the next kid with the cool idea towards a link that's commonly thrown around here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Chesterton%27s_fence

I'm going to pull the more direct section "What this means on Wikipedia":

> If you're considering nominating something for deletion, or changing a policy, because it doesn't appear to have any use or purpose, research its history first.

> You may find out why it was created, and perhaps understand that it still serves a purpose.

> Or if you do feel the issue it addressed is no longer valid, frame your argument for deletion in a way that acknowledges that.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

#148

Post by woobar »

provemewrong wrote: post #10

Some observations. Wouldn't have thought of built-in help as a popular (47.1%) way of teaching yourself. Oracle usage only 16.5%, but I guess it makes sense considering the web developer proportion. CoffeeScript as the third most dreaded language, behind only two instances of Visual Basic. But reading the definition of "dreaded" in makes more sense. Sharepoint as the most dreaded platform, ha ha, no surprise there. C…

> Clojure as the top paying tech worldwide, wow. But missing entirely from the list in US, UK, Germany, France sections, so where are all the Clojure devs?

Probably, because it's reported mostly by US developers, but pay is not high enough to crack into US top paying list. Lowest position in US list is $75,000.

Also, world distribution might have affected Java position. While it is pretty high on US/UK/France and Germany list, the world salaries were depressed due to outsourcing.

Re: Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results 2017

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Post by yulaow »

thearn4 wrote: post #144
paradite wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I ran Ubuntu 12.04 on a Lenovo laptop for a year or so. The graphics and wifi drivers broke down every now and then and sometimes it broke the OS completely so I had to reinstall the OS. Need to fix multiple config issues and compatibility issues when I wanted to install some Linux-alternatives for Windows applications. Plus I need to do video editing and Android apps so I still have to constantly switch back to Wind…

I ran a debian-based distro on a Lenovo thinkpad in graduate school from 2008 to about 2011. I had basically the same experience. Everything worked 95% of the time, but that other 5% felt entirely random and pretty dehabilitating. Now I use a mix of Win, OS X, and Ubuntu depending on what I am trying to accomplish. I make heavy use of Linux servers, but have no inclination of using one as a primary end-user desktop e…

You should try. The changes happened in the last 5 years are extremly big. I mean, all my notebooks (some DELL and a lenovo t430) work better with any linux distro compared to win10, and I even get +30/40% hours of battery on them
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