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Contrary to what many people think, I will predict that the original Trump order will be upheld. It is absolutely an Executive branch function to handle visas and immigration, and the actual law appears to be very clear. I am not making a statement about Trump or his opponents, otherwise.

Which "actual law appears to be very clear"?

I think Section 1182f: “Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate”

( Note that green card holders are still a class of aliens.)

Re: Amicus brief on behalf of 97 tech companies

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But that argument won't fly well: "Bunch of rich guys want to go against the will of the people"

Didn't Trump actually lose the popular vote? The USA isn't a democracy, it's a republic.

But didn't Hillary know it isn't the popular vote that gets her to presidency. The is no trophy for winning the popular vote! Why didn't she campaign in the Rust Belt states but went to California instead. It is really baffling...

Re: Amicus brief on behalf of 97 tech companies

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The WTC PATH Terminal is brilliant infact unlike the boring Penn Station/ Port Authority Bus Terminal, its a piece of architecture fitting to the reputation of the city for next century. You can't complain about Port Authority and then deride the new PATH station in same argument.

The terminal is pretty. But it was 10 years behind schedule. It costs $3.75 BILLION dollars to build, making it the world's most expensive transportation hub. And it runs about 46,000 passengers a day. (Compare and note that Grand Central does five and a half times that many). It was not worth it. Even the director of the Port Authority (the one in 2015, not the one when it was approved) declined to hold an opening c…

Not that I disagree with you at all about cost overruns and schedule delays being an issue, or poor incentive structures all around being an even bigger issue, but going by your numbers:

>The terminal is pretty. But it was 10 years behind schedule. It costs $3.75 BILLION dollars to build, making it the world's most expensive transportation hub. And it runs about 46,000 passengers a day. (Compare and note that Grand Central does five and a half times that many). It was not worth it.

That... doesn't actually sound bad? According to what you wrote there it's serving around 16-17 million passengers a year, which would mean the entire $3.75 billion only works out to ~$220 a passenger for a single year, so it could be entirely recovered by a surcharge or temporary rate bump or whatever of around 50-60 cents a day in just a single year. If built properly so the capex can be amortized across five years or a decade or more, all that drops proportionally. That doesn't seem like a huge ask in NYC.

I mean yeah, it certainly apparently is far from the most efficient design. But even so it's worth considering that even a public infrastructure project here with huge scheduling delays and cost overruns that produces a big upfront bill isn't necessarily that inefficient compared to other forms of competing transport (like cars). It's easy to get too silo'd and forget the fundamental efficiencies and reliability vs the wider world, and in many cases it might be worth "reinvesting" some of those gains in the form of making something more aesthetically pleasing (and thus attractive to the public users) or politically greased, because even if it's worse relative to an internal ideal it might still be better for society. And humans are humans, sometimes some "inefficiency" is necessary from a practical standpoint.

The real question I'd have isn't the one time capex, it's ongoing maintenance. If all that money went into building something that'll be extremely reliable and have either equal or lower maintenance structures vs the rest of the stations, amortization can take care of the rest all right. If however delays and other issues result in higher running costs, that's a much much bigger deal and would be more interesting to know about then the $3.75 billion upfront.

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Contrary to my jubilation at this progress, a cynical friend of mine does not take any reassurance from the power checks the judicial branch has brought against the administration. He believes the administration will just find subtler and less obviously illegal ways to slowly move things in the direction they want. I hope this is not so. It is true that you only seem to see this kind of massive reaction to huge, broa…

The last president asked us if it would be okay to bomb Syria. We said no. Then he did it anyways. He bombed them so much that we literally ran out of bombs. This guy screws up some travel plans and suddenly it's a problem. Bombing these people for 8 years, totes cool. Temporarily not letting them come here!?!?! Monster!!!! I mean, I don't support Trump, nor do I agree with this dumb temporary travel ban, but all thi…

I mean, bombing Syria does seem farther away, in the geographical (and therefore emotional) sense.

Plus, the United States is sickeningly nationalistic, and still carries a hint of pride about its immigrant origins. "This child wanted to come into the U.S., but the cruel President Trump won't let him!" packs more punch than "President Obama issued a drone strike against one side of a multifaceted conflict in a small country you know nothing about."

There's also the fact that Obama was on the team that typically opposes military intervention and racism (at least ideologically...), and it's harder to get people outraged at their own side. The Republicans might have had trouble riling up their base with drone strikes on muslims, so they went for other hot buttons. The Democrats, on the other hand, are perfectly happy to sink their teeth into the travel ban.

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What about his statements on the crowd sizes? He also said Mexico was going to pay for the wall and that doesn't look like it will happen at all.

He said he will impose a tax on Mexican imports and use the proceeds to pay for the wall - That sounds on track.

You understand that the tax will be passed on to US consumers via higher prices right?

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The last president asked us if it would be okay to bomb Syria. We said no. Then he did it anyways. He bombed them so much that we literally ran out of bombs. This guy screws up some travel plans and suddenly it's a problem. Bombing these people for 8 years, totes cool. Temporarily not letting them come here!?!?! Monster!!!! I mean, I don't support Trump, nor do I agree with this dumb temporary travel ban, but all thi…

I mean, bombing Syria does seem farther away, in the geographical (and therefore emotional) sense. Plus, the United States is sickeningly nationalistic, and still carries a hint of pride about its immigrant origins. "This child wanted to come into the U.S., but the cruel President Trump won't let him!" packs more punch than "President Obama issued a drone strike against one side of a multifaceted conflict in a small…

At least you recognize that this is political posturing and virtue signaling and not an actual principled stand in favor of people from other countries.

I'm one step more cynical than that. I think this is the butt-hurt media riling people up because their darling lost the election. Oh, and of course ratings. When the news broke via wikileaks that the CIA, under Obama, started the Syrian civil war which as led to half a million deaths it was barely a blip on the radar because the media liked the guy who did it.

Re: Amicus brief on behalf of 97 tech companies

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post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Didn't Trump actually lose the popular vote? The USA isn't a democracy, it's a republic.

But didn't Hillary know it isn't the popular vote that gets her to presidency. The is no trophy for winning the popular vote! Why didn't she campaign in the Rust Belt states but went to California instead. It is really baffling...

> Why didn't she campaign in the Rust Belt states but went to California instead. It is really baffling...

Because, ironically, her campaign was convinced she had the election in the bag, and they didn't want to risk her losing the popular vote while winning the electoral college, because that could undermine her perceived "mandate".

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#148

While I disagree with the travel ban, let's remember that the primary objection that the tech industry has to it is that it will disrupt the flow of cheap talent that it uses to boost its multi-billion dollar profits at the expense of US-educated engineers that would demand higher salaries and benefits. This group of companies may not garner much sympathy.

I have a (related) counterpoint. The real problem is that there just aren't that many good US-educated engineers. This boils down to the US's weird college system, where either parents have to save up for their children's tuitions, or the people have to be lucky to get a scholarship. The US is not a land of equal opportunity when it comes to education, which is costing a lot of potential talent to be lost. There's so…

> or the people have to be lucky to get a scholarship

Scholarships (and financial aid) aren't based on luck. They are based on two things: merit and demonstrated need. (The relative weighting of the two varies by school).

It's hard to argue that financial assistance should ignore individual merit or actual financial need, especially since admissions already have a natural cap (not everyone can go to the top school) and that sorting function is largely based on merit.

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#149

I don't want to dismiss the other, much larger, concerns people have with this executive order, but I want to highlight another aspect. It further reduces the possibility of tourism to these 7 countries, due to the knowledge that if I want to go to the US, I face a much more invasive immigration check (see Norway PM), and the possibility of denied entry, which carries a lasting stigma. Clearly tourism in Syria is not…

As a Canadian, i've actually never thought of Iran as any more 'adventurous' of a place to visit than somewhere like Peru or India or Cambodia. Lots of mainstream adventure tourism companies have tours there (e.g.: G adventures, exodus, etc) It has a reputation of being a very friendly place full of hospitable people. It's always been on my 'bucket list' of places to visit one day. However, if a visit means i'll get…

The US explicitly allows people to get a second passport to allow them to visit countries without facing this issue. For example, if you want to visit Lebabon, you can get a second passport if you later want to visit Israel.

I don't know if Canada or other countries do the same thing.

Re: Amicus brief on behalf of 97 tech companies

#150

Contrary to my jubilation at this progress, a cynical friend of mine does not take any reassurance from the power checks the judicial branch has brought against the administration. He believes the administration will just find subtler and less obviously illegal ways to slowly move things in the direction they want. I hope this is not so. It is true that you only seem to see this kind of massive reaction to huge, broa…

The last president asked us if it would be okay to bomb Syria. We said no. Then he did it anyways. He bombed them so much that we literally ran out of bombs. This guy screws up some travel plans and suddenly it's a problem. Bombing these people for 8 years, totes cool. Temporarily not letting them come here!?!?! Monster!!!! I mean, I don't support Trump, nor do I agree with this dumb temporary travel ban, but all thi…

>but all this noise about it is clearly disingenuous.

He's destroying the lives of my friends. There are 100,000 such people affected according to the DOJ in court, and they all have friends as well.

Geopolitics is complicated, and the right action isn't so obvious that I'm going to be in the streets whenever someone drops a bomb. I don't and can't understand things with enough certainty to be outraged. This situation is obvious. He's destroying lives for useless political pandering.

The difference is not the degree of immorality, but my certainty of it.

Moreover, a president who bombs other countries is not going to suddenly bomb me. This president already tried to deport my friends, and almost all of my friends are immigrants. Can any of us feel safe now?

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