It is pretty interesting to see how a couple of years ago it would be extremely bad PR for companies to get involved in politics and user their corporate power to tip the scales in their favor, but now it is completely the opposite.
Amicus brief on behalf of 97 tech companies
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#132I don't know what Americans are protesting about. I don't agree with the bans at all but at least you have a president who is true to his words for once - For me that is a higher moral value. You have to take the good with the bad. I don't agree with Trump on a lot of things but I can respect a politician who does what he says he'll do. It's a refreshing break from the typical Washington charlatans who don't do anyth…
I am not sure why you are downvoted, regardless of whether you agree with the travel ban or not, his supporters, the people who voted for him wanted this.
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#133Contrary to my jubilation at this progress, a cynical friend of mine does not take any reassurance from the power checks the judicial branch has brought against the administration. He believes the administration will just find subtler and less obviously illegal ways to slowly move things in the direction they want. I hope this is not so. It is true that you only seem to see this kind of massive reaction to huge, broa…
The last president asked us if it would be okay to bomb Syria. We said no. Then he did it anyways. He bombed them so much that we literally ran out of bombs. This guy screws up some travel plans and suddenly it's a problem. Bombing these people for 8 years, totes cool. Temporarily not letting them come here!?!?! Monster!!!!
I mean, I don't support Trump, nor do I agree with this dumb temporary travel ban, but all this noise about it is clearly disingenuous.
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#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
To be clear: it's not just hard, it is explicitly wrong . A more correct measure is a much simpler one: the aggregate product of all these companies over the GDP. Note that this aggregate product is of course a component of the GDP, so you can express this neatly as a percentage. I see only one major accounting complication in constructing this metric, and that's the inclusion/exclusion of foreign products and subsid…
Another way is to estimate the net present value of America's GDP by multiplying it by 20 or so, which implies that it's roughly 1% of American wealth. Alternatively, percentage of rents at office and industrial zoned land would be a good measure. That'd separate out national vs international activity, at the cost of being significantly more difficult to estimate and calculate. I actually don't know how well rents an…
Out of curiosity, why ~20?
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#135While I disagree with the travel ban, let's remember that the primary objection that the tech industry has to it is that it will disrupt the flow of cheap talent that it uses to boost its multi-billion dollar profits at the expense of US-educated engineers that would demand higher salaries and benefits. This group of companies may not garner much sympathy.
I don't know where you get your information, but at the kind of top-tier tech companies that are being discussed here, H1B employees are not getting inferior benefits. And as someone that does a lot of hiring I can guarantee you that the interviewing costs, relocation costs, and language barrier trade-offs do not make up for any salary differences that may or may not occur. We're not talking about some low-tech banks…
> Furthermore, your whole implication that the companies care about this from primarily a financial point of view is deeply cynical
How can you be so naïve. You just have to look at the charges against tech companies regarding displacement, or in terms of wage collusion. Or look at the mass layoffs that occur regularly.
This is entirely related to saving "a few bux".
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#136Contrary to what many people think, I will predict that the original Trump order will be upheld.
It is absolutely an Executive branch function to handle visas and immigration, and the actual law appears to be very clear.
I am not making a statement about Trump or his opponents, otherwise.
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#137Reading this interpretation of the immigrant history of the US, and how this means corporations should be able to dictate public policy now, just shows how arrogant and entitled these companies are, and how necessary it is that this means of hiring needs to be rejuvenated.
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#138Contrary to what many people think, I will predict that the original Trump order will be upheld. It is absolutely an Executive branch function to handle visas and immigration, and the actual law appears to be very clear. I am not making a statement about Trump or his opponents, otherwise.
Which "actual law appears to be very clear"?
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#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
Good ol' Godwin's law, I've missed you
So should we forget the Holocaust and WWII because of Godwin? Please note I've been very careful to put things into perspective here...
>If you're thoughtful about it and show some real awareness of history, go ahead and refer to Hitler when you talk about Trump. Or any other politician
-Mike Godwin
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#140I don't know what Americans are protesting about. I don't agree with the bans at all but at least you have a president who is true to his words for once - For me that is a higher moral value. You have to take the good with the bad. I don't agree with Trump on a lot of things but I can respect a politician who does what he says he'll do. It's a refreshing break from the typical Washington charlatans who don't do anyth…
This is just virtue signaling against Trump by those that don't know they are being played. None of these people and companies (and media outlets) said anything when Obama was doing much worse, such as blowing up entire countries. Yet Trump puts into effect a temporary travel correction from Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen, half of which are an open death sentence destination for Americans right no…
>Temporary travel correction
That's some talented doublespeak.