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New H1-B Visa bill doubles the salary requirements to $130K/yr

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Re: New H1-B Visa bill doubles the salary requirements to $130K/yr

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Post by shanusmagnus »

btbuildem wrote: post #111
readhn wrote: post #22

Whoever is working on the bill is disconnected from reality and the damage it is doing long term here. Why's everyone so focused on IT? Everyone can learn how to code, it's not a real science.. Oh it's hacker news :) Now walk into any major university science department. See who the newly minted PhD students are in biology, chemistry, physics, math ... Most are foreigners. This bill will send them home after they gra…

And probably for the best. We kind of need the US to take a back seat for a while. Let it be an inbreeding backwater that it clearly wants to be, the world will breathe easier for it.

It does appear that that's what we want to be; I question whether the world will be breathing easier once it happens. The tantrums of an insanely weaponized and idiotic civilization bumbling towards irrelevance don't instill in me a sense of calm.

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Post by PeterisP »

readhn wrote: post #84
angry_octet wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no shortage of biologists. Pay and conditions in the life sciences is abysmal. The sausage factory relies on graduates for cheap labour. So if foreign students knew the couldn't even get a poorly paid job after graduating, would they go elsewhere? Would this cause a collapse of the university pyramid scheme? Would labs have to start paying real living wages for staff? Lots less science would get done in the…

Let's hope you are not in a life/death situation later in your life where you get some disease for which treatment could have been available earlier if that foreign student was "allowed" to stay and do the work in the USA... All because of some delusional billionaire who is allowed (by us) to play his real life monopoly game.

As there is a shortage of jobs and overabundance of students, some of these students not being allowed to stay is not going to decrease the amount of people working in research.

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Post by thansharp »

webmaven wrote: post #123
refurb wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's a combination of hyperbole and being out of touch. $130K is not "barely a living wage". It's a very good salary in the Bay Area and 1.5 times the average wage in SF.

Oh, and comparing to the average probably isn't what you want to use to make your argument, you probably want to compare to the median.

The median would definitely be lower. I'd wager money on this. The mean is skewed upwards thanks to executives earning USD 1 million+ . The median would just treat these people as being above the 50th percentile.

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Post by msujaws »

tomp wrote: post #117
ones_and_zeros wrote: post #25

Here is the summary straight from the horses mouth: https://lofgren.house.gov/uploadedfiles/high_skilled_bill_sx... A few points: - This does not raise the salary requirement to $130k/yr. This only applies to employers that do not want to do the extra paper work for "attestations regarding recruitment and non-displacement of U.S. workers" - It takes a "market based" allocation strategy which allows "cash bonuses and…

- It takes a "market based" allocation strategy which allows "cash bonuses and similar compensation" to be included. This is a joke. Honest question, why is this a joke?

Employer-provided healthcare is considered compensation, and the "cost" is somewhat determined at will depending on creative accounting.

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Post by orsenthil »

thansharp wrote: post #133
winter_blue wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've commented on this before, at: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13433540 I'm copying the comment below: --- I'm on an H-1B, and the thing that infuriates me about the dialogue on this is that they are effectively trying to ban skilled immigration, and exclude people like me from coming. If you don't qualify for the family-based or refugee route, employment-based immigration is the only viable pathway. The amo…

If you don't mind me asking, how did you get such an increase over 2.5 years? I find it surprising that $200k is possible 2.5 years out of undergrad. Are there any particular opportunities you made use of? I can communicate over mail, if that helps.

I can guess that. It mostly comes down to his skill. He is including bonuses. If you interview for a startup in silicon valley or NYC, those figures are not unheard of.

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Post by LordKano »

readhn wrote: post #96
LordKano wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It basically means that the only companies who are gonna be able to hire through H1Bs are the big cos or unicorns. It also means that there is an economic incentive at all levels to consider hiring Americans first. Which is the point.

Have you seen the article where Siemens tried hiring people for the new factory...and the majority of American people who showed up to apply couldn't even pass school level tests...? Educational system in usa is broken. THAT should be number one item to address for this administration. Instead they are playing smoke and mirrors game worth us diverting our attention from the real issues. P.s. it is convenient to have…

Yes I saw that. I also saw the part where more people passed the basic test than there were available positions.

No matter how good our educational system is, there will be people in the left tail of the Bell curve.

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Post by squozzer »

ones_and_zeros wrote: post #25

Here is the summary straight from the horses mouth: https://lofgren.house.gov/uploadedfiles/high_skilled_bill_sx... A few points: - This does not raise the salary requirement to $130k/yr. This only applies to employers that do not want to do the extra paper work for "attestations regarding recruitment and non-displacement of U.S. workers" - It takes a "market based" allocation strategy which allows "cash bonuses and…

>attestations regarding recruitment

Isn't the compliance enforcement budget zeroed out?

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Post by dingaling »

douche wrote: post #15

Sounds like this should have quite an impact on most of the companies that hire a lot of H1Bs. Out of the list below, only Apple is hitting that salary level with their average. (edit) http://www.myvisajobs.com/Reports/2016-H1B-Visa-Sponsor.aspx Also, damn, I knew TCS and Infosys were big, but I wasn't aware they were quite that big.

> I knew TCS and Infosys were big, but I wasn't aware they were quite that big.

I once worked with an Infosys guy who specialised in their HR systems. Back then ( about 2012 ) they were receiving 1.2 million applications per year for entry-level developer positions.

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Post by mhurron »

School-Cotton wrote: post #114
mhurron wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> so as a Canadian who may want to move to the US at some point, I'm hoping it passes. Why would it affect you?

> who may want to move to the US

A Canadian would come in under a TN visa which is not a lottery, not H1-B.

So again, how do H1-B changes affect a Canadian?

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Post by readhn »

samfisher83 wrote: post #125
readhn wrote: post #22

Whoever is working on the bill is disconnected from reality and the damage it is doing long term here. Why's everyone so focused on IT? Everyone can learn how to code, it's not a real science.. Oh it's hacker news :) Now walk into any major university science department. See who the newly minted PhD students are in biology, chemistry, physics, math ... Most are foreigners. This bill will send them home after they gra…

There aren't a ton of job for PHds in chemistry, biology, chemist, math etc. They end up working at hedge funds or web developers or things not necessarily related to their PHd. Look at big pharama and see how much they spend on R&D or basic research. Its a very small percentage of revenues.

You are clearly outside of the field. There are tons of jobs in the biotech industry for qualified graduates. The issue is finding people with appropriate scientific and industry backgrounds. This is why h1bs are hired. I don't care what color you are and where you come from. If you know your stuff I will hire you.
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