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> Do you see this phenomenon going away anytime soon? The economic paradigm has to change. I think something will shift, eventually. Searching for 'john gatto livelihood' just now brought up this link: http://www.wtp.org/archive/transcripts/john_taylor_gatto.htm... - John Taylor Gatto (1991 New York State Teacher of the Year) Interview By Jerry Brown, March 25, 1997 It's probably worth reading the whole thing, but if…

And their grandparents were probably much more independent. My grandparents' grandparents were slaves. On my dad's side in North Carolina, on my mom's side in the Caribbean. Not too much independence there.

"Oh." Thanks for letting me know - it's an antidote for my being overly confident/arrogant.

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I'm really confused on what to think about Uber. My personal thinking/logic is really bearish on them, similar to the post on the front page yesterday [1]. However, I keep seeing extremely smart/accomplished people joining it which makes me second guess my intuition. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13437414

On the flip side the Head of Economic Research of Uber left last September. You can make a weak case an insider economist could be better at predicting market success than an outsider engineer.

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> And why would they improve OSM at all? It's in their business interests to make sure their fleet and their delivery drivers have accurate mapping info. Is there something unclear about the way I worded this in the comment you responded to?

There obviously is something unclear, yes. Having accurate mapping info and improving OSM are two separate things. I asked about the latter. If that data were actually crucial to Uber's business, what possible rationale could they have to share it for free? But while we're on mapping data - I don't think "higher quality" data is in any way crucial to their business. (Owning the data so there's no dependency on third…

> If that data were actually crucial to Uber's business, what possible rationale could they have to share it for free?

I'd understand if this were 1987 and you were asking this question. But it's not, and even Microsoft is on the public collaboration bandwagon.

We begin by recognizing that if you want to get into mapping and not pay out the nose for it, then OSM is your starting point. From there, it follows that we defer to the lessons of the last two decades which show that when given the choice between either maintaining a private fork or upstreaming, then upstreaming is overwhelmingly the best thing to do, even from a position of pure self-interest.

I hardly think their competitive edge hinges on high quality mapping data at the exclusion of others. Accurate mapping data is an enabler for them to go faster, do better, for the things they are doing now. If that means drivers are making 3 deliveries per hour instead of 2, then the proposition holds true. Or if someone can be picked up/dropped off at the curb in front of their building, rather than the clubhouse bearing the street number for their sprawling apartment complex, then the proposition holds true.

> data that is of dubious value to them, to then give it away freely.

No. My position is precisely that they do have a business interest in this kind of data. I've said as much. This is the third time now.

And it's not as if Uber themselves don't already have similar initiatives to release their datasets. They've had a program for the last ~two years for sharing trip data, and two weeks ago they put a public face on their "Uber Movement" initiative to make it more widely available. And that's a dataset that's even more proprietary—there are tons of people in the mapping game, but almost nobody besides arguably Google has access to trip-level data at the scale that Uber has and is chosing to give away.

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

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I'm really confused on what to think about Uber. My personal thinking/logic is really bearish on them, similar to the post on the front page yesterday [1]. However, I keep seeing extremely smart/accomplished people joining it which makes me second guess my intuition. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13437414

Same here. My bear case for Uber is just that self driving will commoditize the market and turn a two sided market into a one sided market. At that point it will be the cheapest offering that wins. Wrote about it in more detail here: http://dangoldin.com/2016/05/28/uber-and-self-driving-cars/

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

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You are getting attacked for simply stating your opinion. Do we really want another echo chamber of opinions here? Google might be still all in on search, but what's important here is the outside perception. They won the search war and desperately tried to recreate the success with other products. So far they haven't had another hit (some big misses, though).

>You are getting attacked for simply stating your opinion The replies mostly seem to be saying that I'm equating just the two departures with a declining interest at Google in organic result quality. Of course, I mentioned more than that, but it's an easy way to dismiss me versus educating me on how I've got it wrong.

I've noticed the more nuanced of a statement I make on HN, the more likely I am to be attacked for it. It's getting worse as the site becomes more popular as well.

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They have to last until their vehicles are autonomous. If drivers were phased in to paid training maintaining the fleets and troubleshooting kinks in the system, shitty jobs will become good jobs. Most drivers will leave, but a solid chunk of them could be brought in through an apprenticeship program that certifies them in mechanics, robotics, software, remote assistance, ground crews, electricity. Robotaxis are a wh…

I know this probably paints me as ancient but that video was so scary to me. I cannot escape the helpless scared feeling of an app driving me into a busy intersection. Maybe I've had too many apps and programs fail and crash.

You mean to say you're afraid of being driven around by somebody's minimum viable product? What could possibly go wrong? ;-)

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

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I know this probably paints me as ancient but that video was so scary to me. I cannot escape the helpless scared feeling of an app driving me into a busy intersection. Maybe I've had too many apps and programs fail and crash.

You mean to say you're afraid of being driven around by somebody's minimum viable product? What could possibly go wrong? ;-)

For self-driving cars, viable includes safe. That's why it's taking a long time to develop.

Re: Uber Hires Former Google Search Chief Amit Singhal as SVP of Engineering

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Why would a person worth billions work for someone else?

Running a company and owning a company is different. Some people like the challenges which are involved in running the company day to day.

Lot of wealthy people work for Buffett because they like their jobs running companies and they like Buffett.

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