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My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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> And if there's a major terrorist attack under Trump's watch, it'll be open season on our liberties. I'm starting to believe that there is not a single world leader who is more than one crisis away from "reluctantly" assuming dictatorial powers. And the populations of advanced economies have no conception of the value of their liberty, since they so willingly give it away.

There have been bombings, gun battles and other mass murders in the streets of Paris, Marseille and elsewhere in Europe, and no sign of dictatorships.

France has curtailed liberties in the wake of recent attacks. No dictators though, you're right.

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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I have to keep the details private. All involved under 30 people who had some fight in them and motivation to resist in direction I pushed. First one all but me backed out on key moment with one selling me out. Others had similar pattern with lots of support in those that talk , too few actually acting , some ratting, and it fizzling out as actors get scared or removed from a situation with too many talkers. All went…

Ok, but right now we're closing on on 1300 signatures for the NeverAgain.tech pledge. I'm not so worried about the kinds of things that happen in 30 person groups, though I recognize those things are real.

They have 1300 supporting their position. Which large, tech companies or VC-funded companies have agreed to their terms with operational implementations on the way?

Or is it a tiny fraction of the tech community talking with little delivered while most support status quo? That's the pattern from the 30 person groups and national level things in politics. If it's not happening & they're succeeding, they're an example of something going well that doesnt fit what Im describing. Are they succeeding?

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Ok, but right now we're closing on on 1300 signatures for the NeverAgain.tech pledge. I'm not so worried about the kinds of things that happen in 30 person groups, though I recognize those things are real.

They have 1300 supporting their position. Which large, tech companies or VC-funded companies have agreed to their terms with operational implementations on the way? Or is it a tiny fraction of the tech community talking with little delivered while most support status quo? That's the pattern from the 30 person groups and national level things in politics. If it's not happening & they're succeeding, they're an example…

I don't understand your question. It's not a petition, it's a pledge. There's nothing their employers can do about it; it's not up to them. That's the point of a pledge.

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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They have 1300 supporting their position. Which large, tech companies or VC-funded companies have agreed to their terms with operational implementations on the way? Or is it a tiny fraction of the tech community talking with little delivered while most support status quo? That's the pattern from the 30 person groups and national level things in politics. If it's not happening & they're succeeding, they're an example…

I don't understand your question. It's not a petition, it's a pledge. There's nothing their employers can do about it; it's not up to them. That's the point of a pledge.

I may be misunderstanding the reason for the example. You were talking about revolt and what threshold of support was required originally. My trend was personal experiences involving revolt where most talk more than they act when huge sacrifice is necessary. A common problem in politics in general. So, this is a pledge to not put together data that can be used for (basically) targeting minorities, destroying such data, the backups, etc. Also boycotting work for them and legal resistance. It follows they must be refusing to work at such places (eg Facebook, Google), not using their products/services, pushing for changes at them if they do work there before quiting if there's No's, preventing it in other companies via business model, and so on. They would expect change in tech company practices to result due to this pledge/revolt.

We'll be able to judge their current commitment based on their employment and if they boycott all such surveillance services with forms of PII that can be used for targeting. The latter due to Vote With Wallet concept of not financially supporting evil companies. We'll see if it fits my pattern by looking for whether a huge percentage of developers are committed to this over maybe next year or so. Also what changes happen in these companies' data collection and retention practices due to pressure from the pledge/revolt causing enough high-talent turnover. My pattern, if they fall victim to it, says they'll remain a tiny percentage of tech employees, probably use surveillance-powered goods, and likes of Google or Facebook continue collecting a trove of data that benefits such targeting since pressure didnt work.

I hope it does work, though, as I support the goals of the pledge. I'll leave this tangent at that.

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

#145

I was watching the 'Dunkirk' trailer the other day and a line stuck out to me: An older fishing boat captain is talking to a younger and soggy rescued solider and says: "There's no hiding from this, boy", referring to the coming of WW2 in general and the captain having to turn to boat back into the melee to search for more survivors. I think that line is also what Bruce is trying to say to a lot of the EFF supporters…

I know EFF and Schneier have been fighting the expansion of the US spy machine, but it seems like a lot of more liberal leaning groups didn't push back when Obama expanded policies started under Bush and that's pretty disappointing. Civil liberties and rights are to be protected even if your candidate/party is in power. Not just when the other party takes over.

This seems irrelevant and possibly untrue. What liberal leaning groups are you referring to?

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Except that the next Abu Ghraib type scandal has already occurred under Obama many times over, but no one cares anymore. How about the CIA shoving hoses into detainee's rectums and pumping food in as part of so-called rectal 'feeding'? It's rape, plain and simple, and it's lead to rectal prolapse and anal fissure in some of the detainees. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/09/cia-report-r...

Sure - bad stuff still happens. It gets found out, some people complain, the people in power modify their behavior (sometimes by not being so evil, sometimes by finding better ways of hiding it - the latter can be useful for at least slowing the bad guys down and making their lives more complicated and difficult). But we are still in the world where the CIA and the President of the USA can be publicly pressured into…

> If you want to see what a leader untroubled by public condemnation of lawbreaking is like, you just have to cast your gaze towards the Phillipines, where there's a huge upsurge in state-sanctioned vigilante and police murders.

Considering Trump has praised the murders already I would say it's anyones guess what happens now:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/03/philippines-ro...

For anyone looking for insight into the situation in the Philippines please read this fantastic photojournal from the NYTimes:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/12/07/world/asia/rod...

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Yes, I'm aware of that, but being Secretary of State and putting candidates in elections every year while only allowing 1 other real competitor (the other party) to compete are completely different levels. Imagine if there was the Republican party and the Exxon-Mobile party.

I don't have to imagine. North Carolina is actually changing which powers are allocated to which offices based on the fact that a Democrat won the election. The country is becoming a one-party state.

Wow, I just saw that in the headlines. I suspect that's what Congress has in store for Trump if he gets out of hand. Either that or impeachment for something. They have their perfect guy waiting to take his place.

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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Interesting read, but I can't imagine how anyone could convince Google and Facebook to change their business models at this stage unless the market truly revolted and started moving away from their products due to privacy issues. I think change is much more likely to happen through disruption (which perhaps is the other side of his ideas, coming up with business models that are more privacy-friendly). I think securit…

IMO there are only two companies in the world right now that could possibly compete against Google and Facebook on that kind of scale but with a different, more privacy-respecting business model. Unfortunately, the one in Cupertino only takes a lukewarm stance on privacy despite being in an excellent position to make it a distinguishing feature of their platform; and the one in Redmond with its always-calling-home op…

I think Apple is at least as dangerous in the long-run. Yes, an iPhone is much more secure (against anyone but Apple) than any Android phone. But it's much less free. In the Apple ecosystem users have no say over their devices, and developers only do with Apple's blessing. In an Apple-dominated world there are 3 castes: Apple, Apple's favorite devs, and everyone else who has no say in technology anymore. I'm no RMS, but I think this would be a disaster.

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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And have any failed to be business-minded?

I think to the extent of limiting expenditures and generating revenue, I can only recall Clinton's administration as one that actually created a surplus. In this regard, I posit government officials do not necessarily tend to act this way (at the expense of American tax dollars).

I understood business-minded to mean sympathetic to the desire of the business community.

Re: My Priorities for the Next Four Years

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post #91
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except that the next Abu Ghraib type scandal has already occurred under Obama many times over, but no one cares anymore. How about the CIA shoving hoses into detainee's rectums and pumping food in as part of so-called rectal 'feeding'? It's rape, plain and simple, and it's lead to rectal prolapse and anal fissure in some of the detainees. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/dec/09/cia-report-r...

Sure - bad stuff still happens. It gets found out, some people complain, the people in power modify their behavior (sometimes by not being so evil, sometimes by finding better ways of hiding it - the latter can be useful for at least slowing the bad guys down and making their lives more complicated and difficult). But we are still in the world where the CIA and the President of the USA can be publicly pressured into…

> But we are still in the world where the CIA and the President of the USA can be publicly pressured into not waterboarding people anymore.

A world where the President and the CIA can be pressured into saying that we don't waterboard anymore. Respectfully, I think it's naive to think that waterboarding and much worse are no longer occurring at CIA black sites, and that the majority of these activities ever come to light. Obama passed legislation outlawing waterboarding, but what oversight apparatus did he create? Has he punished CIA personnel responsible for torture?

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