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Re: Hyper 1.0.0

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Post by mamcx »

fifafu wrote: post #112
mamcx wrote: post #109

I have a idea for a kind of terminal (but not a terminal emulator) more in the style of ipython. But the trouble is that multi platform is complicated. Is possible to have a fast html rendered just for the UI and use native code for the rest?

Sure, with Electron/Node you can easily do that: https://nodejs.org/api/addons.html A good example for a performant Electron/Node application is Microsoft VSCode

Mmm... maybe I was not clear.

I like how html/css work for build the UI, but wish not to use node at all. Also, exist a engine more light and fast than webkit?

Re: Hyper 1.0.0

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Post by woodruffw »

Klathmon wrote: post #137
IshKebab wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm skeptical of the value of electron-ified applications when fully native alternatives suffice. Me too, although in the case of terminal apps, they really haven't moved on since the 70s. How many support images? Completion popups? Browsable history? Current directory widget? Collapsible output? Honestly if it takes some insane over-engineering to get some actual innovation in terminal apps I'm all for it! And whe…

I really don't think it's all that much "over engineering". I mean, if you want images, history, tabs, to support every language under the sun, and support for most platforms, I'd say a browser is a fantastic way to get most of that "for free".

Unfortunately, "support for most platforms" tends to result in the kind of user experience that I described above. There's something comedic about millions of lines of compiled Chromium failing to handle the Control modifier on Linux.

I can't really blame them (Linux, like every nix, does something unique at the tty level that breaks reasonable assumptions), and I'm sure it'll get a lot worse once they try to run their JS bindings over the pty/tty subsystem of something like Solaris.

Re: Hyper 1.0.0

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Post by nilved »

paulddraper wrote: post #127
nilved wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is exactly what GP mentioned. Although using `/opt` to begin with is an anti-pattern in all cases including Chrome.

Which is exactly what I mentioned. Are we looking for a disagreement?

Maybe, sorry if I misread your comments!

Re: Hyper 1.0.0

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Post by nkkollaw »

This is amazing. It looks 100 times better than anything available.

It doesn't have tab reordering, nor "close other tabs"/"close tabs on the right", but I'm sure there are plugins for that.

Re: Hyper 1.0.0

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Post by cookiecaper »

stcredzero wrote: post #128
cookiecaper wrote: post #122

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can't wait for the general sentiment to turn to match. Whereas PHP has been sneered at by non-PHP devs since time immemorial, JavaScript is seeing widespread uptake by supposedly "senior" people across the spectrum. I've asked several of these people to explain the attraction (one of whom had a fascination with the even-worse CoffeeScript) and thus far I have not really come across a satisfactory explanation. To me,…

I've asked several of these people to explain the attraction http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/02/10/where-money-is/ Javascript is a "workable" or "decent" language, and it happens to run where the users are. This is also a large part of why C++ was a success and C before it.

This works when you're executing code "where the users are", as I conceded in the parent post (it's the language you use when you have to). It doesn't explain why they'd willingly switch away from another server-side language to re-implement the whole thing in server-side JavaScript.

Re: Hyper 1.0.0

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Post by sime2009 »

IshKebab wrote: post #132
woodruffw wrote: post #106

I'm skeptical of the value of electron-ified applications when fully native alternatives suffice. However, ignoring that, there are a few (pretty severe) problems with this release: * The .deb package seems to install everything in /opt. This seems to be pretty common practice for electron apps and isn't a huge deal, except for the fact that a wrapper executable/link isn't installed anywhere else on the system. As a…

> I'm skeptical of the value of electron-ified applications when fully native alternatives suffice. Me too, although in the case of terminal apps, they really haven't moved on since the 70s. How many support images? Completion popups? Browsable history? Current directory widget? Collapsible output? Honestly if it takes some insane over-engineering to get some actual innovation in terminal apps I'm all for it! And whe…

I'm busy exploring some of these ideas in my little project Extraterm https://github.com/sedwards2009/extraterm .

This little gif demonstrates what it can do now: https://github.com/sedwards2009/extraterm/raw/master/docs/ed...

Some more demos of its features are here: https://github.com/sedwards2009/extraterm/blob/master/docs/t...

It is still early days for Extraterm although I use it myself daily (mostly on Windows and Linux). It too is built on Electron. It makes it possible to try out ideas relatively quickly and grants access to a megaton of 3rd party libraries and tools.

Re: Hyper 1.0.0

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Post by baldfat »

woodruffw wrote: post #106

I'm skeptical of the value of electron-ified applications when fully native alternatives suffice. However, ignoring that, there are a few (pretty severe) problems with this release: * The .deb package seems to install everything in /opt. This seems to be pretty common practice for electron apps and isn't a huge deal, except for the fact that a wrapper executable/link isn't installed anywhere else on the system. As a…

I am using the appimage and I don't have these issues.

Ranger.py runs very smooth and vim is fine. I am kind of shocked that there was no delay and I am on a 8 year old dell.

Re: Hyper 1.0.0

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Post by avtar »

dlbucci wrote: post #9

Windows support is really appreciated! I just switched from a MacBook to a Surface Book, and the biggest pain point has been finding a good terminal to replace iTerm2. I'll definitely try this when I get home!

I switched to Windows 10 about a year ago and having tried all the options listed above I would suggest giving https://mintty.github.io/ a shot.

Re: Hyper 1.0.0

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Post by lkesteloot »

52-6F-62 wrote: post #107

I’ve been using Hyper on and off for a while now. I recently returned to zsh in iTerm2 for the same reasons many others mentioned here. It _works_. I still do toy with Hyper from time to time. A feature I do like is the hotkey-enabled pane-splitting. CMD+D to open a vertical pane. CMD+SHIFT+D to open a horizontal pane. CMD+W closes them — though I wish this option would prompt as I’ve accidentally closed panes a numb…

> I’ve accidentally closed panes a number of times by a poorly-timed keystroke.

PSA: In iTerm you can hit CMD+Z within a few seconds to unclose a tab or window.

Re: Hyper 1.0.0

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Post by segphault »

I find the idea interesting, but the execution leaves much to be desired. I'm using it on Windows and some of the basic readline shortcuts don't appear to work correctly (e.g. ctrl+a is doing select all instead of moving the cursor to the beginning of the line.) It also doesn't seem to have any mouse support, like the ability to scroll or resize panes in tmux. There's a very real need for better terminal emulation on Windows, but this doesn't seem to deliver.
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