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Inside Magic Leap

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#141
I may regret this comment in the future, but Magic Leap represents the worst of tech to me. Extreme secrecy while at the same time pushing vapid press releases in the media without sharing any real information.

Either collaborate and share or be secret and reveal, but this is the worst combination. If there was a way to short this company I would do it.

Re: Inside Magic Leap

#142

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There's just no way. They aren't going to beat Oculus/FB, or Sony, or HTC. They don't have a product; they clearly must have some incredible tech demos, and a wizard working VC

Who else has plowed a billion into a waveguide and light engine factory?

I hope they can deliver what they are promising.

I remain highly skeptical.

Re: Inside Magic Leap

#143
post #87

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Bandwidth is not the problem, latency is. Bandwidth can be fixed by throwing more bandwidth at the problem. Cloud gaming has not done all that well; it's right at the edge of feasibility due to latency. VR moves it back off the edge to "unquestionably infeasible". If VR gaming were to take off and become a dominant paradigm it would make cloud gaming even harder to justify.

I had to look it up, but it appears OnLive was shut down in 2015 and patents sold off to Sony. I was completely skeptical at their claims with respect to latency. I never believed they could get the service to work, and for enough people to make it profitable. It appears quite a few people were able to enjoy the service at decent enough framerates. Which is surprising.

I used onlive for a year or so and really enjoyed it. There were some issues, but even the multiplayer FPSs were playable. Most of the time I was playing single player games that were less twitchy, and if you had done a blind test I probably wouldn't have been able to tell you if it was running locally or not.

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#144

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I was also disappointed by that statement. I would expect much more from the first applications. Let me try to be constructive and think of some: + To have a cat even if you can't feed it or clean up (elderly). + To find out how it is to have a baby, how to feed it, how to care for it. + Dating first with an avatar before going for the real deal. + Searching for things without having to open cabinets or boxes. + Colo…

I don't want to live in a world with many of those features. I don't want my pets to talk to me, have my plants tell me they're thirsty, or go on a date with an avatar. And, as a parent of a two-year-old, trust me, no sort of application can let you find out how it is to have a baby. Maybe I'm just weird or old-fashioned.

I'm happy to hear other applications. I was trying to be constructive although I'm not a VR/AR fan at all.

I know my grandma didn't want pets because she is too old to bend over.

I know people who carry a sack of flower rather than a baby.

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#145
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I've tried the Hololens dev version. It's very cool, unlike anything else I've had on my head. Those who let me try it don't seem to be overly worried or impressed with Magic Leap, but there's no way of telling until we see both side-by-side.

It's cool, but the fov is narrow, and the area of visible pixels changes significantly with the position and orientation of the device relative to your eyes. Reach up and slide it a little bit up or down on your nose and you gain/lose enough area that you can spend minutes adjusting knobs and fittings to find something that seems usefully minimal. It's not particularly comfortable in general. And, as a wireless standalone unit compared to a desktop computer, it renders relatively very low quality 3d graphics because of the need for high framerate stereoscopic output and the typical constraints of a several-years-ago smartphone.

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#146

I'm thinking that Hololens rev. 2 will be out before Magic Leap rev. 1 is out and will be cheaper. So unless Magic Leap is an order of magnitude better than Hololens, they have failed. Say what you will about Microsoft, at least they already have a platform on which this "new era of computing" can be based: Windows. That is to say, it makes tremendous more sense to evolve from what we have now into the "new era of co…

Hololense = 1268 * 720 pixels per eye Magicleap = supposedly infinite (or they don't exist at all?) Hololens says they have 2.3 million “light points”. I don't know much about light points other than a few paragraphs, but I wonder how Magicleap actually measures light density and how/if it compares or correlates.

1920x1080 ~= 2 million pixels. Assuming an optical scanning system, you could give them the benefit of the doubt that they can route R, G, and B through a single light point during scanning.

I presume a "light point" is some sort of shaped structure on their glass which allows the scanned light to escape to the eye when requested. And in theory, might be a place where they can do interference cancellation of incoming light to darken points. All their hype probably points to metamaterials-style shaping of light.

Remember that pixels aren't rectangles (hence why scaling images larger always looks more blocky or blurry than native res), they're point samples. So a "light point" should be equivalent to a pixel in the simple case. Whether or not they can bend light between points to make it "infinite", who knows. Any of that is always going to be limited by the resolution that the GPU can crunch in time.

Re: Inside Magic Leap

#147
This is going to end up like that one episode of Angela Anaconda where they're all really excited about the new Jiggle Fruit but it ends up tasting bad and they don't like it.

Re: Inside Magic Leap

#148

I'm thinking that Hololens rev. 2 will be out before Magic Leap rev. 1 is out and will be cheaper. So unless Magic Leap is an order of magnitude better than Hololens, they have failed. Say what you will about Microsoft, at least they already have a platform on which this "new era of computing" can be based: Windows. That is to say, it makes tremendous more sense to evolve from what we have now into the "new era of co…

So it does seem that investors are impressed with the Magic Leap.

Just how impressed are they?

Let's see.

Magic Leap = 4.5bn valuation

Snapchat = 20bn valuation

So if, as the article states, ML could disrupt the $160bn LED screen market (among other markets), the valuation would reflect that.

Presently, it does not.

Re: Inside Magic Leap

#149

I'm thinking that Hololens rev. 2 will be out before Magic Leap rev. 1 is out and will be cheaper. So unless Magic Leap is an order of magnitude better than Hololens, they have failed. Say what you will about Microsoft, at least they already have a platform on which this "new era of computing" can be based: Windows. That is to say, it makes tremendous more sense to evolve from what we have now into the "new era of co…

I think Microsoft just needs to make the FoV in rev. 2 better than right now and they'll have a decent product.

Re: Inside Magic Leap

#150
I get this feeling that Magic Leap is marginally better than Micrsoft's Hololens. But after seeing the Hololens, they decided that they need more work to beat Microsft. Marginally better isn't going to cut it.
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