Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know that it's there, but it would be eminently possible to assign to the act of buying a ticket agreement to be subject to these rigors. Indeed, I'm guessing it is true, but just haven't looked it up. "Persons, houses and effects" is domain-dependent and cannot be made absolute.
If cupping my butt cheeks is not a "search of my person" then I don't know what is.
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Re: The TSA is a waste of money that doesn't save lives and might actually cost them
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe. But I don't think anyone argued for eliminating security altogether; pre-9/11 security prevented guns from being on airplanes as well as the TSA for $7b less per year. Bringing security back to post-1970's/pre-9-11 levels doesn't seem like it would cost us anything except a really shitty Basic Income program.
My comment is in reply to a comment that says exactly that you don't need any security at all. It quotes "You need some security" and replies with "No, it was not clear then, and it is not clear now." If you think we need some security but only at pre-9/11 levels, then you and I are on the same page there.
Re: The TSA is a waste of money that doesn't save lives and might actually cost them
#143TSA is the number one reason why I don't fly and drive instead. From my POV most of the world's industries have progressed positively, but not air travel. I took a train a couple of years ago and it was a beautiful example of old merging with new. Walking through an antique of a train station, iPhone in hand, with my digital ticket ready to board; so easy and pleasant. At that point I realized that air travel is by f…
I arrive at the airport in a Lyft. I walk up to the security checkpoint checkpoint, where I show the agent my phone. They see my boarding pass with the green checkmark and send me to the empty TSA Pre line. I walk through the metal detector with no adjustments to my attire. I am at the gate in 5 minutes. I like how trains basically let you show up last minute, and a 3 hour train ride actually means a 3 hour train rid…
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Re: The TSA is a waste of money that doesn't save lives and might actually cost them
#144That said, am I the only one who doesn't have these long security waits? I typically show up at the airport ~1h before boarding is to begin, and am often at my gate 50min before boarding begins.
I typically fly out of SFO, and I do admit, several journeys ago, I was actually IN LINE at security for 30 minutes which seemed absurdly painful and I was actually starting to sweat being late for boarding. Of course, at SFO they had TONS of extra machinery, they just didn't bother staffing it.
As much as I HATE taking off my watch, fitbit, ring, car keys, wallet, belt, shoes, phone, then the scramble to take my laptop out of my bag as soon as I get room on the table (it becomes a high pressure situation to do the laptop thing as by the time you get to the table you have roughly 8 seconds before you're holding people up!).. the actual lines are quite tolerable.
I typically fly SFO, SEA, SAN, SJC, and fly cross country at least once or twice a year. I just got back from Copenhagen, Frankfurt, Stockholm, Munich airports, and again, no problems. I've fairly recently been to Auckland, Queenstown, Reykjavik, Heathrow, Florence, Paris as well.
There's no doubt most other countries do a better job than the US; the automated machinery for dealing with your possessions to be xrayed (they hold your bin until it's empty and then automatically return it to the beginning of the line!) and the switching between 10-15 security lines so that you're never behind more than a few people was a revelation.
But the actual time in security is rarely all that bad inside or outside the US.
Re: The TSA is a waste of money that doesn't save lives and might actually cost them
#145Earlier quoted context omitted.
Private jet travel is probably _not_ within reach for the average SV developer.
On a whim, I checked what the rate is to hire a private jet. Can't really do a prop as it'll take too long to get anywhere. Rate for a Gulfstream jet was about $2500 per hour. So, "for the rich".
I think we're upper-middle-class-ish, but there's no way we could justify chartering a jet for a family vacation if it costs as much as a car (a smaller jet might "only" be around $12,000 for the same trip AFAICT).
Re: The TSA is a waste of money that doesn't save lives and might actually cost them
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_Security_Admini... "In July 2007, the Times Union of Albany, New York reported that TSA screeners at Albany International Airport failed multiple covert security tests conducted by the TSA. Among them was a failure to detect a fake bomb."
I wasn't very clear, but what is a fake bomb? some timer taped to a couple circuits like clockboy and with no explosive residue? Or a real bomb with the detonator removed but with a fake detonator? How realistic the bomb was would radically change the test.
Not really - the screening is done by looking at x-ray images of bags on a conveyor belt. The visual representation of a 'bomb' on the agent's screen would not change one iota if a pipe bomb didn't contain a real detonator.
Detecting the presence or absence of a real detonator would require much more sophisticated techniques, equipment, and personnel than are in use at tsa checkpoints
Re: The TSA is a waste of money that doesn't save lives and might actually cost them
#147Re: The TSA is a waste of money that doesn't save lives and might actually cost them
#148I hate security, though I hate the discomfort of air travel even more. In fact, I just got back to the US from Europe, and the cold that struck 12h after I left lasted 7-10 days (and I rarely get sick!) That said, am I the only one who doesn't have these long security waits? I typically show up at the airport ~1h before boarding is to begin, and am often at my gate 50min before boarding begins. I typically fly out of…
Re: The TSA is a waste of money that doesn't save lives and might actually cost them
#149I hate security, though I hate the discomfort of air travel even more. In fact, I just got back to the US from Europe, and the cold that struck 12h after I left lasted 7-10 days (and I rarely get sick!) That said, am I the only one who doesn't have these long security waits? I typically show up at the airport ~1h before boarding is to begin, and am often at my gate 50min before boarding begins. I typically fly out of…
ATL is the absolute worst. There are three checkpoints for the entire domestic side of the airport, two of which are often closed. Wait times are normally 45 minutes in the normal lines. There are 3 checkpoints for about 150 gates.
FLL, OTOH, is one of my favorites. This is because the terminals don't have a central entrance, so there's a security checkpoint per 15-ish gates and some checkpoints actually serve fewer than 10 gates.
Re: The TSA is a waste of money that doesn't save lives and might actually cost them
#150TSA is the number one reason why I don't fly and drive instead. From my POV most of the world's industries have progressed positively, but not air travel. I took a train a couple of years ago and it was a beautiful example of old merging with new. Walking through an antique of a train station, iPhone in hand, with my digital ticket ready to board; so easy and pleasant. At that point I realized that air travel is by f…
I arrive at the airport in a Lyft. I walk up to the security checkpoint checkpoint, where I show the agent my phone. They see my boarding pass with the green checkmark and send me to the empty TSA Pre line. I walk through the metal detector with no adjustments to my attire. I am at the gate in 5 minutes. I like how trains basically let you show up last minute, and a 3 hour train ride actually means a 3 hour train rid…