Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name • Hacker News Board

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by randyrand » Thu, May 05, 2016, 7:48 PM UTC

chrismonsanto wrote: post #119

refurb wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What exact work these publishers are doing? Typesetting, third party review, offering visibility in a high quality journal? The point is nothing is stopping scientists from publishing in other, open source journals. But they don't. That means these journals offer something of value to them.

My experience in publishing (in CS) is that the publisher does not offer assistance in typesetting. Additionally reviewers are not paid for their effort, and are not affiliated with the publisher--they do it out of a sense of duty / professional advancement. The journals offer something of value because they provide high-quality taxpayer-funded research. The publisher is nothing more than a middleman, who should be c…

Not all of them are taxpayer funded. That's a blatent lie.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by ultramancool » Thu, May 05, 2016, 7:49 PM UTC

Tiksi wrote: post #138

oneloop wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guys, I have a question. If it's this simple to put a server into the onion, why are people not doing this with torrent trackers? I'm thinking specifically about thepiratebay.org which is still banned in the UK (at the ISP level, I believe). Then mirrors appear and then the mirrors get banned? Why not just put it into the onion? Put it there once, problem solved.

They do: http://uj3wazyk5u4hnvtk.onion/ But most people don't run tor often or at all.

If you're lazy and aren't looking for any strong degree of privacy for this kind of thing, you can run an onion transparent proxy on your router fairly easily, so then you can just navigate to .onion domains in any browser and browse away.

Of course, the privacy implications of this are pretty bad if you're just going to load most websites via direct connection. A simple image embed can deanonymize you. But it's probably good enough if you're just going to browse TPB or similar sites and are mostly just looking for a bypass without the privacy concern.

https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/Transparen...

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by roywiggins » Thu, May 05, 2016, 7:49 PM UTC

oneloop wrote: post #131

chadzawistowski wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't have to be cryptic, but it takes a lot of brute-forcing to get a memorable one. Facebook managed to get https://facebookcorewwwi.onion/

I get that, my point is why do they have to be brute forced? Why can't you just pick one?

They're hashes. If you don't have the number that hashes to and address, you can't run a server at that address.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by gone35 » Thu, May 05, 2016, 7:49 PM UTC

refurb wrote: post #55

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Typesetting Trivial >third party review Trivial, and happens just fine without publisher "help" >offering visibility in a high quality journal? Most journals are not "high quality." They're often very niche efforts, sometimes started and run as an easy way to get publication credits outside the handful of prestige publications. Ambitious academics know that one way to raise your profile is to organise your own confe…

Trivial Obviously that's your opinion, but since when does the effort it takes to create something matter about the price? It's pretty trivial to move product from a factory to a retail store, yet people have no problem paying for that. And again, if it's trivial, then there is nothing stopping anyone from starting their own journal. But amazingly, nobody has done that. What's the saying about "find out why the fence…

Nature, Science, etc.

You should know they are sometimes called "Tabloid journals" for a reason. Actual 'high-quality' or 'flagship' journals are most the most part unknown outside their discipline.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by fosco » Thu, May 05, 2016, 7:56 PM UTC

omegaham wrote: post #87

chias wrote: post #45

I feel a little tingle of excitement seeing my own papers on Sci-Hub. I mean I get that they're trying to index all publications so it's not a "stamp or approval" or anything... but it does mean that people can actually access the knowledge I tried to throw into the world, which was kind of the whole point in doing it. I'd update my academic website to link my papers to their sci-hub URLs if I didn't think I'd catch…

This reminds me of that old Steve Martin movie, The Jerk , where the protagonist finds out that he's in the phone book. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7aIf1YnbbU

Quote" I'm in the phone book! Things are going to start happening for me now!"

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by joelthelion » Thu, May 05, 2016, 7:56 PM UTC

Are people working on a better system to replace DNS? This little game is quickly becoming tiring.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by squidfood » Thu, May 05, 2016, 7:57 PM UTC

fudged71 wrote: post #140

chrismonsanto wrote: post #123

> Meanwhile, academic pirates continue to flood to Sci-Hub, domain seizure or not. I realize readers of torrentfreak.com have a different relationship with the word "pirate" but-- This is not piracy. You are entitled to read work from Sci-Hub, as your taxes funded the researchers who created the work. We academics want you to read our work, we do not benefit in any way from publisher paywalls. We continue to publish…

Is this argument valid internationally? My canadian taxes didn't pay for american research, should I still be able to access those papers?

I'm in the U.S. and enjoy a few Canada-based journals that detail work funded by Canada. Fair trade, eh?

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by DarkLinkXXXX » Thu, May 05, 2016, 7:58 PM UTC

gherkin0 wrote: post #129

How big is the sci-hub database? Are there full/partial mirrors published anywhere?

We can see here, over 50mil papers. http://libgen.io/scimag/repository_torrent_notforall/

As you can see here, they have three mirrors. One Moscow, one Ocean(ia?), and one Cyber(ia?). Libgen also has a mirror.

As for BookSC, they seem to be quite a bit out of date, or something.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by DarkLinkXXXX » Thu, May 05, 2016, 8:02 PM UTC

thaw13579 wrote: post #57

Maybe this is an opportune time to bring up a related concern. It's crucial that any system for disseminating scientific work be reliable and persist indefinitely. I don't like the current system, but I wonder how this will be achieved otherwise.

I agree. I don't want papers to dissapear indefinitely due to an IT mistake, and I'm sure there are many researchers that don't save previous papers locally. That, and being able to access cited works is also important.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by DarkLinkXXXX » Thu, May 05, 2016, 8:05 PM UTC

wyager wrote: post #50

Domain names should not, in principle, be subject to the arbitrary edicts of governments. I hope that, in the future, we switch to a decentralised and cryptographically incorruptible system a la Namecoin.

Being free would also be nice. But of course, we also need a way to disincentive squatting.