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Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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chejazi wrote: post #110
oneloop wrote: post #99

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Guys, I have a question. If it's this simple to put a server into the onion, why are people not doing this with torrent trackers? I'm thinking specifically about thepiratebay.org which is still banned in the UK (at the ISP level, I believe). Then mirrors appear and then the mirrors get banned? Why not just put it into the onion? Put it there once, problem solved.

Perhaps the primary reason is accessibility. Onion addresses are not easily memorized. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko%27s_triangle I believe this inconvenience is minor, however.

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Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by bradyd »

oneloop wrote: post #120
chejazi wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps the primary reason is accessibility. Onion addresses are not easily memorized. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko%27s_triangle I believe this inconvenience is minor, however.

Incidentally, is there any fundamental reason why onion addresses are always so cryptic?

They are a hash generated from the service's public key.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by chrismonsanto »

> Meanwhile, academic pirates continue to flood to Sci-Hub, domain seizure or not.

I realize readers of torrentfreak.com have a different relationship with the word "pirate" but--

This is not piracy. You are entitled to read work from Sci-Hub, as your taxes funded the researchers who created the work. We academics want you to read our work, we do not benefit in any way from publisher paywalls. We continue to publish in these venues because it is necessary for career advancement (whether for us, or for our students).

Please continue to "pirate" our work, and please spread the word about this problem.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by namlem »

maxerickson wrote: post #72
gradschool wrote: post #71

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Are you aware that unlike musicians, academic researchers don't get paid royalties on their publications? A list of prestigious publications on one's cv leads to funding and job opportunities regardless of whether anyone pays to read them.

Lots of academics are collecting royalties on books. Typically not large royalties, but they are collecting them.

On books, not papers. I've searched for books on sci-hub, but have never found one. I'm pretty sure it's all papers, which researchers make no money on.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by chrismonsanto »

namlem wrote: post #124
maxerickson wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of academics are collecting royalties on books. Typically not large royalties, but they are collecting them.

On books, not papers. I've searched for books on sci-hub, but have never found one. I'm pretty sure it's all papers, which researchers make no money on.

Use Library Genesis (http://gen.lib.rus.ec/) for books.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by SCHiM »

gradschool wrote: post #90
maxerickson wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of academics are collecting royalties on books. Typically not large royalties, but they are collecting them.

Yes, that's a fair point. I was thinking only of journal articles and conference proceedings. One way of making money off textbooks is to be a professor in an institution with a large number of students and make them a requirement for the course. It also helps to make a few small changes every year and call it a new edition, so each year the next class of students has to buy new ones instead of used copies from the p…

> Yes, that's a fair point. I was thinking only of journal articles and conference proceedings. One way of making money off textbooks is to be a professor in an institution with a large number of students

Yeah that behaviour is detestable. Absolutely utterly unethical and everyone who engages in this type of behaviour should take a long look in the mirror and realize that there's an Evil person looking back.

I've lost so much money to f*ckers like this and I have no recourse, it makes me so mad I can spit.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by cessor »

"We wish to set back society, because we want to make more money".

I use Sci-Hub all the time. I can access all papers via my library subscriptions so I actually DO have paid access to everything, but searching with and authenticating against my university library's services is slow and tedious and not feasible if I want to download many papers quickly.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by chrismonsanto »

wrsh07 wrote: post #73
jfaucett wrote: post #4

"As a result of the legal battle the site (sci-hub.io) just lost one of its latest domain names. However, the site has no intentions of backing down, and will continue its fight to keep access to scientific knowledge free and open." Does this not enrage people? Elsevier and closed-access journals like them, are doing all they can to impede human progress while leaching off of tax-payer dollars to do so. Something sho…

This is a case of badly screwed-up incentives. No individual has incentives to fix the system, so they keep optimizing for how they're actually rewarded [academics --> tenure / prestige, journals --> make money, govt --> get lobbied].

You are missing a case for academics. Even after tenure, we have to continue publishing in these venues or our students wont be able to find work.

Re: Elsevier Complaint Shuts Down Sci-Hub Domain Name

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Post by chadzawistowski »

oneloop wrote: post #120
chejazi wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps the primary reason is accessibility. Onion addresses are not easily memorized. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zooko%27s_triangle I believe this inconvenience is minor, however.

Incidentally, is there any fundamental reason why onion addresses are always so cryptic?

They don't have to be cryptic, but it takes a lot of brute-forcing to get a memorable one.

Facebook managed to get https://facebookcorewwwi.onion/

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