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1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by zurn »

Mizza wrote: post #47
dmix wrote: post #13

> The black women left behind find that potential partners of the same race are scarce, while men, who face an abundant supply of potential mates, don’t need to compete as hard to find one. As a result, Mr. Charles said, “men seem less likely to commit to romantic relationships, or to work hard to maintain them.” Interesting, I never thought about this side-effect of mass incarceration. Another aggravating factor in…

> women are arguably less war-prone than men I don't think are actually any studies that support this, unfortunately. War simply isn't a consequence of gender, it is a consequence of ideology and fear.

It's not hard to find references to such studies. See eg

"Scholars and polling organizations have also noted a consistent gender divide in public opinion on military action, beginning with World War II through the most recent U.S. wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, with men expressing higher levels of support for military action than women (Bendyna et al.,1996; Berinsky, 2009; Burris, 2008; Fite et al., 1990; Moore, 2002; Nincic and Nincic, 2002; Rohall et al., 2006; Shapiro and Mahajan, 1986; Smith, 1984; Wilcox et al., 1993)" (from https://www.academia.edu/1802567/Race_Gender_and_Attitudes_T... )

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by yichi »

random28345 wrote: post #95
yichi wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way would you say those terroritories do not belong to China, or any other country in the region? Or better yet, what makes even places like Canton, Shanghai even belong to China? (Keep in mind I'm not saying these lands do or do not actually belong to China, but I'm merely asking under what grouds do you make these claims)

> In what way would you say those terroritories do not belong to China, or any other country in the region? All I know is that when one country wants to take what another country currently has, people die. It's the slaughter of impressionable young nationalists in war that I object to, not which country has suzerain over which scrap of land.

It doesn't really address the question at hand but I do agree with you, especially considering the ongoing Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

> not which country has suzerain over which scrap of land

Personally, I don't care much for which country "owns" which scrap of land either, but usually it is the very same passionate nationalists that you referred to that disagree with us. Which is why, I've asked the original question, with what right does any country own a certain piece of land, or not own certain piece of land.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by PopsiclePete »

ars wrote: post #44

Historically this was solved by polygamy. (The cause of the missing men back then was usually war and travel danger on business expeditions.) Polygamy is still occurring, except without the official status of wife. Makes me wonder if the benefits of outlawing polygamy in the US might not outweigh the harm - especially because it happens anyway.

I know a few happily married couples in "open" relationships. Poly or whatever you wanna call it. And I know a few unhappy, obviously sexless couples in traditional marriages as well.

For me, marriage is both an outdated and terrifying prospect. The thought of being with one woman for the rest of my life, sexually, is off-putting. So instead of doing what many others do - cheat, get caught, divorce, repeat - I just choose not to marry. Unless I find someone of a similar mind-set.

Dating sites are filled to the brim with women/men who want a "discreet" relationship. Instead of being open about our needs and communicating and accepting those needs, we choose to hide/vilify those who are brave enough to do. So as a society we keep up this fake appearance of "proper" when increasingly more and more are cheating, getting divorced, being miserable...why? Why is this necessary? I don't get it.

Sorry for ranting. It's just what you said struck a chord with me.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by S_A_P »

fweespeech wrote: post #79
Someone1234 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> increasingly belligerent I'd argue that China's belligerence is lower now than it has been. They've moved from a very communist that strongly distrusted and arguably even hated the West, to a semi-capitalist one who mostly just wants to compete with the West (and makes oodles of $$$ selling to us). The US has been drum-beating against China a lot recently, but frankly that seems more about the US losing in the "tra…

The Chinese engage in cyber-espionage operations against their "peaceful" trading partners, rattle sabers over Taiwan and various islands, and so forth. http://articles.latimes.com/2014/jan/10/opinion/la-oe-schmit... They used to talk about a "Peaceful Rise" and had for a very long time. They stopped.

I know of two very large cyber espionage incidents that can be traced to individuals in China. It may or may not be government sanctioned, but the evidence that it is is somewhat compelling. For one, the hackers only work during business hours. Secondly, the tools used had a very specific signature of state sponsored espionage.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by crazygringo »

dccoolgai wrote: post #16
dmix wrote: post #13

> The black women left behind find that potential partners of the same race are scarce, while men, who face an abundant supply of potential mates, don’t need to compete as hard to find one. As a result, Mr. Charles said, “men seem less likely to commit to romantic relationships, or to work hard to maintain them.” Interesting, I never thought about this side-effect of mass incarceration. Another aggravating factor in…

This dynamic has always frightened me about China's "one child" generation coming of age. Instead of a group of disaffected Jihadists, you have a large and influential political force in an increasingly belligerent and powerful nation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missing_women_of_China

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by yesiamyourdad »

tomjen3 wrote: post #82
Someone1234 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your offense is of no concern to me. The stats back up that people prefer to date within their own race when they can. Ultimately I am just arguing that people's choice is important to the whole topic, if black women would prefer to date black men, pointing out that they could date white or asian men won't help the situation.

Actually you are wrong in this specific case. Okcupid has the data ( http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your-race-affects-whether-... ) which shows that black women are more likely to reply to men now of her own race (and white men are almost at the top).

Problems with that paper. If OKCupid addressed these in their data set, the didn't say.

1. OKCupid is a worldwide site but they don't say whether they're correcting for that by limiting to the USA 2. They don't say anything about correcting for regional differences. 3. They say nothing about the message rates. What percentage of a black woman's incoming mail is from white men? If it's some small percentage, can one discount the novelty effect? 4. They don't correct for income. Since in the US, black men have the lowest income of any group, it's much more likely that a given the choice between a black man and a white man, the white man will have the higher income. 5. Likewise for education level of the sender. 6. Likewise for message content. Is it possible that black men send messages with different content than white men? 7. Finally, this only considers message rates, as if the goal of a dating site is only to get other people to return your messages.

This isn't any kind of a scientific study. Please don't act as though OKCupid has proven anything significant.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by ck2 »

Balgair wrote: post #127
ck2 wrote: post #105

Want some interesting perspective - in 1968 Jim Crow laws were still in effect (aka separate but "equal") until they were finally made illegal. But you can be positive that just making it illegal in 1968 didn't end the practice, it most certainly went on into the 70s That's only a couple of generations ago. It's crazy that some people don't understand why it take so long to recover from hundreds of years of that, peo…

To be clear, you are talking about the post-civil war period to the civil rights act period as when blacks in most of the USA were second class, correct? Because, before that, blacks were not second class citizens in any way, they were property in many areas.

Right of course.

What I am trying to point out is how some naive people look around and say well I got myself a job and got myself stable without assistance so why shouldn't everyone have to do it on their own?

But the thing is, if you are white in the USA, your great grandfather probably came to this country as an immigrant and lived very simply while making a little progress and making a little money. Then your grandfather took that momentum of stability and went a little further, then your father went a little further.

People of color don't have that momentum unless they were very fortunate. There are exceptions of course but their great-grandfathers, while not slaves were very held down in society.

Even when that weight is suddenly lifted in the 70s, it didn't magically give them generational momentum.

So some teenager looks around today and says, gee what is the problem, I can do it, why does anyone of color need special preference. It's dangerous ignorance.

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by omonra »

southphillyman wrote: post #97
omonra wrote: post #46

Sorry to be the voice of Bill Cosby but my read of this is that black men are killing each other and then going to prison for it (drug charges are responsible for maybe 20% of people in prison - ie stats would still be largely same without the drug war). And somehow that's everybody else's fault?

>And somehow that's everybody else's fault? Yah, it's called institutional racism. Policy generated poverty, sub par educational standards exacerbated by the destruction of the nuclear family, and a significant percentage of people who can't earn livable wages or vote after being filtered through the industrial prison complex. We are human beings, there is enough history to suggest we behave like savages when reduced…

Institutional racism in the US was a lot stronger 60 or 100 years ago - yet the level of black crime was significantly lower.

I had a hard time finding chart to show this, but here is the Chicago murder rate chart for 1870-2008: http://i1354.photobucket.com/albums/q689/john_albert1/murder...

I see a huge spike in the 60s with gradual leveling - but we are still 3x higher than before whatever happened in the 1960s...

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by berntb »

steamy wrote: post #74
Someone1234 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> increasingly belligerent I'd argue that China's belligerence is lower now than it has been. They've moved from a very communist that strongly distrusted and arguably even hated the West, to a semi-capitalist one who mostly just wants to compete with the West (and makes oodles of $$$ selling to us). The US has been drum-beating against China a lot recently, but frankly that seems more about the US losing in the "tra…

The #1 belligerent nation on Earth now is uncontestedly the USA and this is not because Americans are belligerent and aggressive by nature but because it happens that the globalists and the Elite made that country their HQ conducting their business operations out of it.

Check the democratic peace theory on Wikipedia -- not even USA start wars with democracies. The rights of juntas is maybe not the highest priority on the planet. Except in the UN, where they shanghai groups like UNHRC...

(I was Hellbanned before this comment :-) .)

Re: 1.5 Million Missing Black Men

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Post by [deleted] »

omonra wrote: post #46

Sorry to be the voice of Bill Cosby but my read of this is that black men are killing each other and then going to prison for it (drug charges are responsible for maybe 20% of people in prison - ie stats would still be largely same without the drug war). And somehow that's everybody else's fault?

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