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California Imposes First-Ever Water Restrictions to Deal with Drought

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someone has to protect our poor farmers, everyone loves farmers.

food shortage leads to revolution. The real problem here is we tried to turn a desert in to our national bread basket.

which shortage of foods grown in this desert would cause the revolution exactly? I dont see a lot of blood being spilled over the price of pistachios.

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food shortage leads to revolution. The real problem here is we tried to turn a desert in to our national bread basket.

>The real problem here is we tried to turn a desert in to our national bread basket. or may be that our national bread basket is turning into a desert? One needs 3 components - soil, sun and water. We're loosing the 3rd component : http://www.mercurynews.com/drought/ci_27070897/california-dr... "The last three years of drought were the most severe that California has experienced in at least 1,200 years" Everybody can…

We also seem to be losing the first component (soil). At least we're going to have plenty of sunlight left.

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I have a lot of fun pondering the effects of a longer term drought. Will populations shift north to Oregon and Washington? Will desalination technologies advance to significantly reduce the cost?

They have a huge desalination plant coming online soon in San Diego.[1] There are about 15 others that are proposed. With California's vast coastline and huge concentration of population along the coast, it seems logical to build more of these plants. However, they do use a lot of energy (which could be supplied by solar and wave power) and may have deleterious effects on sea life in the vicinity of the salty output. But what choices do they have, really? Until people move northward or eastward, as you suggest, or other ways to conserve are implemented, they're in a very tight spot right now. I think desal is the best option.

New desalination technologies may also provide the key, such as the RO/PRO so-called "reverse osmosis" approach[2]. The Israelis have a giant plant "Sorek"[3] that is purifying seawater on a large scale and using advanced technology to reduce the energy cost and improve efficiency. So there's some hope for this approach to providing purified water on a large scale.

1. http://www.mercurynews.com/science/ci_25859513/nations-large...

2. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150217144246.ht...

3. http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/534996/megasca...

Re: California Imposes First-Ever Water Restrictions to Deal with Drought

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Read "The King of California" ( http://www.amazon.com/The-King-Of-California-American/dp/158... ) for insight on what became of Central Valley's Tulare Lake, once the largest freshwater body in the United States West of the Mississippi. The lake is gone, but its footprint is now the world's largest cotton plantation, JG Boswell Company (ticker BWEL), which owns rights to millions of acre feet of Central Valley's ground water. J.G. Boswell II, who died several years ago, pioneered the use of laser-levelers, GMOs, etc., whereas his predecessor, J.G. Boswell, was an unsophisticated Georgia cotton farmer who relied on post-Reconstruction black slaves to create an empire in the heart of California.

Fascinating read. Recommended.

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Certainly for California. But what about New York for example? Have a look: http://www.eia.gov/consumption/residential/reports/2009/air-... // Can't find numbers for Germany, but I can tell you that I don't know anybody who has AC at home. (I'm not a hippie.) // You know how examples work, right? The data is pretty clear: More than 60% of households in the USA have AC.

The humidity gets you. Germany isn't nearly as humid as New York in the summer.

Yeah, and one major function of HVAC is to draw humidity out of the air.

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Too little too late. Here's things Jerry could have done but didn't. - Ban the export of bottled water from California. If the drought is as bad as they say we shouldn't be shipping any of it out of state. Sorry Arrowhead. - Introduce tax breaks for installing water efficient appliances. - Introduce tax breaks for the removal of sprinkler systems and replacing plants with ones that require less water. - Introduce a m…

Contrary to your statement the Governor of California lacks the power to do almost all of those things. In particular you can't just apply a market system to agricultural water. Most of those growers have contracts with the federal Bureau of Reclamation for their water. This is the Central Valley Project that ships water from the Trinity all the way to Kern County. Much of the rest comes from the California State Water Project, which involves contracts between the State Department of Water Resources and various other agencies and parties.

Both of these contract systems are full of outright fraud and mendacity and you can certainly call into question the moral foundation of the contracts, but under our system of laws these contracts are fundamentally untouchable.

Re: California Imposes First-Ever Water Restrictions to Deal with Drought

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Too little too late. Here's things Jerry could have done but didn't. - Ban the export of bottled water from California. If the drought is as bad as they say we shouldn't be shipping any of it out of state. Sorry Arrowhead. - Introduce tax breaks for installing water efficient appliances. - Introduce tax breaks for the removal of sprinkler systems and replacing plants with ones that require less water. - Introduce a m…

Those all seem like pretty reasonable things. But how on earth aren't there already tax breaks for water efficient appliances? That seems like such an obvious and trivial improvement...

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Wait, they just imposed water restrictions? Wouldn't have that made sense to start like... near the beginning of all of this?

Alaska is slowly melting away and people are still arguing about whether global warming is real. Inaction is kind of the order of the day.

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Many farmers are getting no [0] water this year and are relying on ground water to keep trees alive or not planting seasonal crops. Others get a very small fraction of their typical allotment [1]. California water rights are complicated... [0] http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/environment/article11355200... [1] http://hanfordsentinel.com/news/in_focus/california_drought/...

The trees they're trying to keep alive have ridiculously high water consumption, almonds for instance consume 10s of litres of water for each _individual_ almond. They need to stop growing trees like that in a desert, which is what they're doing. The wells they are digging are tapping into the underlying aquifers that are the last resort, so they are in fact getting _free_ water while complaining about the cost. In e…

The Central Valley is not and has never been a fully arid desert.

While the southern San Joaquin Valley does indeed get very little rainfall, the mountains that drain in to it normally get plenty of water.

Tulare Lake, once the largest body of fresh water west of the Mississippi, was right in the middle of the driest parts of Kern and Tulare counties.

The lake has even reappeared following a period of unusually high precipitation and as recent as 1997.

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