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Re: Google Fiber Austin

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This is full of problems as far as i understand. Google and read more about it?

What problems?

Requires line of sight, is expensive, has high latency, and is somewhat flaky.

I know someone who has this service in San Francisco - they only have it because it's literally their only option besides ADSL.

Re: Google Fiber Austin

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You can't really generalize about per-installation costs. Digging fiber out to several houses is much more expensive than digging over to a 200-apartment complex, which lets you split the bill for laying fiber between 200 people. In Copenhagen, Denmark, my apartment complex just got connected for 3800 DKK per apartment. And that's in a country with fairly high wages and 25% VAT. For similar apartment complexes (large…

Labor is cheaper in the US? Can you provide some data on that, I understood labor was cheaper in Denmark. From what I've seen the median income in the US is about 20% higher than in Denmark.

Looks like the mean hourly wage for electricians is about 20% higher in Denmark compared to the US (avg. $25.75 vs 188.07 DKK for 2013) [1][2]

[1] http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes472111.htm

[2] http://www.def.dk/Loen/Loenstatistik/Loenstatistik.aspx (sorry, Danish)

Re: Google Fiber Austin

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How is that income figured exactly. I mean, doesn't every major movie seem to lose money even after raking in billions? I just don't trust any number from Comcast without a large volume of information on how those numbers were calculated. And at that, that doesn't explain how Comcast even stayed in business till that point? Were they allowed to install their networks at a loss? Are there costs artificially high? Are…

A better example is probably Charter, which doesn't have the noise of the media/movie business: http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=112298&p=irol-re... . Look at page 54 of their 2013 10-K. Their revenues were $8.15 billion (just over $100 per customer, for the whole year). $5.35 billion in operating costs, and $1.85 billion in depreciation and amortization (the loss in value of the capital in the ground). $9…

These numbers should also say something to free market advocates that dream of multiple companies installing redundant infrastructure to compete for customers.

Re: Google Fiber Austin

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Here in the Netherlands we also have this but from more companies. A lot of cities now have fiber to the home, I have 50/50 + tv for 50 euro (100/100 would be 55). Some cities also have Gigabit, for about 100 euros/month ( http://www.tweak.nl/consument/fiber/productoverzicht.html ) Google fiber doesn't seem so special to me. Maybe I should read into how the money from the fiber network is made here. I think there are…

Our internet in the US costs about the same for less bandwidth. Also our internet companies are among the most loathed companies in the country and consistently rank among the lowest large companies in customer satisfaction. They also build networks on government subsidy but generally have little if any competition. They also almost force you to bundle in phone and TV with a pricing scheme that makes no sense. They a…

To the contrary, I'm paying $55/month for 100Mb service with Charter and am quite happy with them.

Re: Google Fiber Austin

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It is sad that silicon valley has been so slow to adopt google fiber

Agreed. Whenever there's a comparison of our pathetic speeds with those in Korea/Japan, people claim "the US is a huge country", etc. However, San Francisco's density (6600/km^2) is higher than that of Tokyo (6000/km^2); why doesn't SF have FTTH?

San Francisco is not the US and, here in the St. Louis area, we all get 100Mb.

Re: Google Fiber Austin

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Surprised they want a 1 year commitment and are charging a construction fee. EPB here in Chattanooga offers $69.99 month to month pricing for 1Gbps (and no construction fee).

Re: Google Fiber Austin

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Agreed. Whenever there's a comparison of our pathetic speeds with those in Korea/Japan, people claim "the US is a huge country", etc. However, San Francisco's density (6600/km^2) is higher than that of Tokyo (6000/km^2); why doesn't SF have FTTH?

Where is the majority of Japanese internet traffic going? Where is the majority of San Fransiscan internet traffic going? There's more than just population density to take into account. It makes a big difference when you don't need nearly as much long haul backbone capacity because almost all of the destinations for the traffic are close to the subscribers.

In my experience (just shopping around for high-bandwidth hosting, including looking at regional pricing of CDNs), backhaul is way cheaper in the US than anywhere else, including Europe and Asia.

Re: Google Fiber Austin

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post #115

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How is that income figured exactly. I mean, doesn't every major movie seem to lose money even after raking in billions? I just don't trust any number from Comcast without a large volume of information on how those numbers were calculated. And at that, that doesn't explain how Comcast even stayed in business till that point? Were they allowed to install their networks at a loss? Are there costs artificially high? Are…

A better example is probably Charter, which doesn't have the noise of the media/movie business: http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=112298&p=irol-re... . Look at page 54 of their 2013 10-K. Their revenues were $8.15 billion (just over $100 per customer, for the whole year). $5.35 billion in operating costs, and $1.85 billion in depreciation and amortization (the loss in value of the capital in the ground). $9…

> Their revenues were $8.15 billion (just over $100 per customer, for the whole year). ... What's really shocking is that their revenue per customer relationship is under $130 per year.

You seem to be an order of magnitude off on your ARPU calculations. $8.15 billion in revenue (p. F-4) / 5.9 million customers (p. 1) = $1,381 ARPU

Either that, or you're mixing up monthly with annual. On p. 4, they calculate their monthly revenue per residential customer relationship at $108.

However, you are generally correct that the cable business is a tough business to be in. Lots of labor costs, lots of capex, lots of interest costs. On an ROA basis, they're not doing that much better than the regulated utilities.

Re: Google Fiber Austin

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Damn, one time $300 fee for "Up to" 5 Mbps download and 1 Mbps upload. That's like getting free internet for 6 and a half years[1] from current providers after 6 months. And if you want to upgrade you've already got the hardware. I wonder what the minimum time of undercutting at a loss service they can offer is without it being considered anti-competitive. [1] They guarantee 7 years of free service https://fiber.goog…

> That's like getting free internet for 6 and a half years from current providers after 6 months. Is internet in Kansas really that bad? I'm paying $50/month for 30/21 (I'm paying for 25/25 but oh well) here in New Jersey [0]. I can't imagine doing much with that internet besides basic web browsing. Even low-res video is choppy at that speed. [0] http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3952406450

Yes - My parents in mid-mo basically can't get anything faster than 5 down at any price. I know people who live outside city limits who can't even get that.

Re: Google Fiber Austin

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MonkeyBrains is currently offering Gigabit wireless in SF[1] on Indiegogo, $2500 setup fees and $30 monthly. estimated delivery date is early February next year. 1: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/gigabit-wireless-to-the-h...

I'm sceptical. There've been a couple of Wifi-based local ISPs who went bankrupt where I live (in Austria).

MonkeyBrains is not quite what we call "WiFi"; it's in the 80GHz spectrum. (I thought it was 60GHz, which is becoming a WiFi spectrum, but their page says 80. So I don't fully understand what they're up to.)

Beamforming and directional antennas works really quite interestingly on the higher frequencies. I think their stuff could work. It's not obviously doomed to failure, like most 2.4GHz-based WiFi setups are, in my opinion anyway :)

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