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Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by einhverfr »

coldtea wrote: post #77
jlgaddis wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since I first heard about FVEY, I have assumed that each of the member countries has total unrestricted access to 100% of the data that any of the other member countries have collected. The more that we find out, the more I believe that that is an accurate assumption.

There's no way that the other 4 eyes have "100% unrestricted access to the data" of the big one...

You are probably right. Given the MOU with Israel, there are restrictions certainly for other governments.

Those restrictions include, presumably, that they agree that among eachother they promise not to read achothers' emails, and furthermore if they do this and use the information to spy on our government, they promise to do so discretely....

Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by einhverfr »

g8oz wrote: post #97
coldtea wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no way that the other 4 eyes have "100% unrestricted access to the data" of the big one...

Thats true, only Israel has that, as per recent revelations.

Israel doesn't have unrestricted access. The access is contingent on Israel promising not to use it to spy on us ;-)

Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by einhverfr »

victorf wrote: post #121
dragonwriter wrote: post #84

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I think that many of the founders would probably be more upset by our reflexive resort to suppositions about what the founders would think in discussions of public policy than they would be upset (or supportive) of any particular policy that we find controversial.

They would be too appaled at general policy to worry about particulars for a while. "When we decided at least one congressman per 30,000 persons we were imagining, you know, one per 40,000. How can you possibly have a representative democracy like this? Wait, did you start a two-party system as well?"

The Electoral College more or less guarantees a two party system.

Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by einhverfr »

rayiner wrote: post #59
mixmastamyk wrote: post #48

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What would they think of putting "suspicious" people on a list so the govt could pounce on them the minute they try to cross the border? The purpose of which is to avoid warrant.

Read this and tell me what you think: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_and_Sedition_Acts . Remember, this is less than decade after ratification.

It is worth noting two things about the Alien and Sedition Acts.

1. A lot of the Founders really didn't like them. Both Madison and Jefferson spoke out against the laws and argued they were unconstitutional for various reasons.

2. They were allowed to expire around the same time Marbury v. Madison was decided so it isn't clear what the early court thought of the laws.

Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by einhverfr »

omarali wrote: post #116
refurb wrote: post #43

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But passing through the land crossing can be. I'm a Canadian citizen and I've gotten far worse treatment from Canadian officials than I have from US officials. It's an anecdote I know, but it is what it is.

I've has the opposite experience as a US citizen.

That is a disturbing pattern. Tourists welcome. Citizens shall not question the government...

Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by azernik »

greenyoda wrote: post #118
carlob wrote: post #27

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First off both of what the sibling posters said is true. 1. Israel makes big claims of being an advanced democracy, unlike the Saudi monarchy 2. I wasn't singling Israel in particular. I wouldn't visit Saudi Arabia for the exact same reasons. But there is another point where your parallel breaks, there is no way to get to Palestine without going through Israel, so if you are a social worker involved with the welfare…

"there is no way to get to Palestine without going through Israel" Can't you get to the West Bank through Jordan and Gaza through Egypt?

The Egypt-Gaza crossing at Rafah is passable, though frequently closed (due to Egyptian restrictions). The Allenby/King Hussein Bridge from Jordan to the West Bank, on the other hand, is an Israeli-run border crossing, and it is definitely the least inviting crossing I've ever been through.

Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by WildUtah »

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2. Bright orange link text is even more horrible than usual because of light gray on black color scheme.

3. Extra tiny font size (1em) is almost unreadable against black background.

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5. Use of "beg the question" to mean "raise the question" is incorrect.

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Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by maxerickson »

rayiner wrote: post #23
ISL wrote: post #9

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I often wonder what the founders would think of the modern interpretation of the fourth amendment at our borders. How would they have chosen to balance privacy against security in our age?

Considering the border search exception dates back to legislation by the First Congress in 1789, I don't think they'd have much of a problem with the current interpretation.

I hope they would have some pause over the border zone attached to constricted friendly borders (For example, I don't see much reason to consider Michigan a border zone...).

And I do see CPB vehicles dozens of miles from the bridges, apparently working hard enforcing that open border (or buying Subway).

Re: How airline reservations are used to target illegal searches

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Post by tptacek »

snitko wrote: post #31
rayiner wrote: post #25

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Uh, what exactly is shocking about this? The government has the right to know the precise identity of each and every person that's crossing its borders. It's also reasonably entitled to know the identify of each person flying into its sovereign airspace. How do you think they enforce visas and customs?

I would start with the question of why is it that people need visas. We live on the same earth. We should be allowed to travel wherever we want. It's ridiculous.

Time for another exciting round of "Let's Relitigate Civilization!"
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