Earlier quoted context omitted.
As the author of the petition; I take responsibility for hitting the submit button, halfway through an edit. Sorry.
I say this only to help in the future: (Life Pro Tip style) Do your writing/editing in a separate app/editor window, and then copy/paste it in. This applies to important emails as well, to prevent hitting send before your final draft is done.
Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal
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Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal
#132Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except he wasn't facing 35 years in prison...If he wanted to take the charge he could have, but he was facing 6 months if he wanted to look out for his best interests. The comments here keep making it seem that he was going to realistically do 30+ years in prison which is obviously incorrect.
he wasn't accepting admitting to being a felon so it was very likely he was in fact going to get 35 years in prison for a TOS violation. Also, the practice of "admit you're guilty, else go to prison for (life|35 years)" is a common practice of totalitarian states used to crush dissenters and activists.
In the federal system, broad classes of crimes ("murder", "robbery", "wire fraud") have been assigned maximum sentences. For example, under no conditions can a sentence for wire fraud exceed 20 years (you get to the theoretical max of 35 in this case by adding the other charges, but they in the case everything would likely be folded into wire fraud on sentencing because all of the charges were based on the same conduct).
But most defendants convicted of wire fraud (even by a jury) don't serve 20 years. In fact, many first-time offenders don't serve anywhere close to that -- it's usually under a year.
Instead, the Federal Sentencing Guidelines [1] are a mostly-mandatory (there are constitutional reasons why judges are allowed to depart from the Guidelines, but it's rare and requires justification) system to calculate a range that a defendant will actually serve following a jury conviction.
Here, wire fraud is a "level 7" offense.[2] That offense level can be adjusted upward or downward based on other facts of the crime (e.g., was stock fraud involved? add 4). Assuming that Orrin Kerr was right and the total loss was $5,000 or less, there would be no adjustments and so Aaron's offense level would be 7.
Take that to the sentencing chart[3] and you can calculate that if Aaron had no priors he would be in criminal history category I and have an offense level of 7, which would be a sentence of 4-10 months. That's unpleasant, but it's a far cry from being "likely ... to get 35 years."
In fact, if you look at the sentencing chart, the only way for a first-time offender to have a Guidelines range of 35 years is to be above an offense level of 40. It takes serious work to get there: even a wire fraud of more than $300,000,000 in damages won't get you to that offense level. To get an offense level of 40, you're looking at first degree murder.
Familiarize yourself with the sentencing guidelines and you can see what was actually likely. A judge _could_ depart from the guidelines, but sentences significantly above the guidelines for a first-time offender are all but guaranteed to be struck down on appeal.
To take another example of the difference between maximum and actual sentences: the maximum sentence for murder in many states is death, but not everyone convicted of murder gets the death penalty.
[1] http://www.ussc.gov/Guidelines/2012_Guidelines/
[2] http://www.ussc.gov/Guidelines/2011_Guidelines/Manual_HTML/2...
[3] http://www.ussc.gov/Guidelines/2012_Guidelines/Manual_HTML/5...
Edit: Incidentally, the prosecutor is constitutionally _required_ to inform defendant of the full statutory maximum sentence, even if it's not realistic in a particular case. Failing to do so can be grounds for reversal of a plea or conviction. That doesn't mean the prosecutor has to tell the media, but he/she must tell the defendant.
Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal
#133Earlier quoted context omitted.
Only if it's followed up with a petition to "return all taxpayer money wasted on egoic pranks". There was always a way forward to achieving Aaron's goals that didn't involve sneaking around. Whether he was right or wrong, he knew on some level that what he was doing was, at the very least, inappropriate and potentially harmful. If not, then why attempt to hide his face? If not, why even do it at all? It's a sad and u…
> Only if it's followed up with a petition to "return all taxpayer money wasted on egoic pranks". If someone keys your car, and you spend $5,000,000 tracking them down to punish them, it doesn't mean they've wasted $5,000,000 of your money. It means you're a moron.
Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal
#134Earlier quoted context omitted.
Crowdsourcing the destruction of the career of an out-of-control prosecutor is a repeatable process, and, as Internet forums gain mass, a process that will get easier to apply. In other words, this is the public perception of crime on the move. You can see this in other areas of discourse, like cannabis legalization, getting rid of red light cameras that have been shown to increase collisions, etc.
Crowds are fickle and fatigue easily. We become indifferent to things which previously affronted us. It is a natural coping mechanism to prevent the monopolization of our limited attention spans. For example, gun violence has been a constant thing in the US. The crowds get tired of hearing about it and the drive for legislation goes no where. However, when something out of the "ordinary" happens, such as the grievous…
That petition is a flawed and bloody flag that many seem willing to follow for the moment. The question is, is it possible to take the momentary outrage at this one prosecutor and turn it into a forceful pressure for reform of a system that is deeply and badly broken.
Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal
#135Though I'd like to see Oritz fired, and think she's deserving of it, the effort to get her fired is blinding us to a bigger problem and a proper solution. The system was broken long before Oritz and Swartz, but it wasn't until it affected someone we like that we noticed. But we're in a bubble, and the vast majority of Americans do not care who Aaron Swartz is, will not be affected by this tragedy like we were, and in…
Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal
#136But this particular prosecutor was just a bully, right? Who had it out for Aaron out of personal hate, perhaps the Illuminati are involved also?
The only other reasoning is she was just doing her job and prosecuting a man who broke the actual law, and showed traits of an activist who could be a repeat offender, and was trying to deter him from getting into more serious trouble in the future.
A suspended sentence and a felony doesn't seem too bad if she was deterring him from something that could see him in jail 10 years with a plea bargain.
Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal
#137Though I'd like to see Oritz fired, and think she's deserving of it, the effort to get her fired is blinding us to a bigger problem and a proper solution. The system was broken long before Oritz and Swartz, but it wasn't until it affected someone we like that we noticed. But we're in a bubble, and the vast majority of Americans do not care who Aaron Swartz is, will not be affected by this tragedy like we were, and in…
He wasn't going to get 30 years. See the other top HN post right now about he could have plea-bargained for 6 months.
In 2009 fully 96% of criminal cases in our Federal court system resulted in a conviction. http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=7...
This situation would be absurd if it weren't so horrific.
Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal
#138Earlier quoted context omitted.
he wasn't accepting admitting to being a felon so it was very likely he was in fact going to get 35 years in prison for a TOS violation. Also, the practice of "admit you're guilty, else go to prison for (life|35 years)" is a common practice of totalitarian states used to crush dissenters and activists.
A guilty verdict from a jury is not an automatic maximum sentence. The mostly-mandatory Federal Sentencing Guidelines would have called for an actual sentence of 4-10 months in this case. In the federal system, broad classes of crimes ("murder", "robbery", "wire fraud") have been assigned maximum sentences. For example, under no conditions can a sentence for wire fraud exceed 20 years (you get to the theoretical max…
If these numbers are really all just meaningless and in "reality" he was really only looking at...a year? why is it that nobody, even sources like Lessig, seem to be saying this.
Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal
#139Though I'd like to see Oritz fired, and think she's deserving of it, the effort to get her fired is blinding us to a bigger problem and a proper solution. The system was broken long before Oritz and Swartz, but it wasn't until it affected someone we like that we noticed. But we're in a bubble, and the vast majority of Americans do not care who Aaron Swartz is, will not be affected by this tragedy like we were, and in…
So they are quite effective. They're just also a little sneaky.
Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal
#140Earlier quoted context omitted.
I say this only to help in the future: (Life Pro Tip style) Do your writing/editing in a separate app/editor window, and then copy/paste it in. This applies to important emails as well, to prevent hitting send before your final draft is done.
Similarly: I always leave the TO: line empty in emails until I'm sure that the message is done.