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Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal

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Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal

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Post by res0nat0r »

agwa wrote: post #19

Though I'd like to see Oritz fired, and think she's deserving of it, the effort to get her fired is blinding us to a bigger problem and a proper solution. The system was broken long before Oritz and Swartz, but it wasn't until it affected someone we like that we noticed. But we're in a bubble, and the vast majority of Americans do not care who Aaron Swartz is, will not be affected by this tragedy like we were, and in…

He wasn't going to get 30 years. See the other top HN post right now about he could have plea-bargained for 6 months.

Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal

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Post by res0nat0r »

olefoo wrote: post #33
neltnerb wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I forgive you. (No, seriously, this bugged me too, but it's the sentiment that counts)

I was in the midst of changing the tense; I should have written it in emacs and then copied it into the form once I was happy with it. So it goes. I'm actually wondering whether a more considered phrasing would have done worse. As it is the main goal of putting the headline into Barack Obama's eyeballs has been reached, and Ms. Ortiz knows that her boss is making the political calculation of whether she is a liabilit…

Unfortunately this will come no where near close to the President's eyeballs. It will be reviewed and responded to by some low level staff group who has been tasked to wade thru all of the petitions (and nonsense like the Death Star) which get 25k votes.

Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal

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Post by jlgreco »

mcantelon wrote: post #46
ryguytilidie wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah I love how people keep acting like "oh, his life was ruined so now you need to ruin hers?" NO, we need to make her not have the power to ruin more lives. If because of this, her and her millionaire husband manage to rationalize this as their lives being ruined while not caring about the kid's death they are responsible for than that really tells one everything they would need to know about the content of their c…

Her losing her position would prevent her from having the power to ruin more lives, no?

Yes, I think that is what he was getting at.

Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal

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Post by SagelyGuru »

I think this whole petition is a mistaken diversion. This issue is bigger than Ms. Ortiz. The fact is that she was only doing her job in the way that the Congress and the Administration very much expected her to do. Take this up with those who gave her the weapons: the laws she was using and the common procedures she was using. Take it up with those who very much wanted those weapons ready and used to silence an activist.

Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal

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Post by jacoblyles »

agwa wrote: post #19

Though I'd like to see Oritz fired, and think she's deserving of it, the effort to get her fired is blinding us to a bigger problem and a proper solution. The system was broken long before Oritz and Swartz, but it wasn't until it affected someone we like that we noticed. But we're in a bubble, and the vast majority of Americans do not care who Aaron Swartz is, will not be affected by this tragedy like we were, and in…

Culture and rules both effect behavior. By firing Ortiz, we're changing the culture. Hopefully that will help us change the rules.

Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal

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Post by ScottBurson »

res0nat0r wrote: post #51
agwa wrote: post #19

Though I'd like to see Oritz fired, and think she's deserving of it, the effort to get her fired is blinding us to a bigger problem and a proper solution. The system was broken long before Oritz and Swartz, but it wasn't until it affected someone we like that we noticed. But we're in a bubble, and the vast majority of Americans do not care who Aaron Swartz is, will not be affected by this tragedy like we were, and in…

He wasn't going to get 30 years. See the other top HN post right now about he could have plea-bargained for 6 months.

The crime he committed was not, in any reasonable world, a felony.

Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal

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Post by jivatmanx »

res0nat0r wrote: post #51
agwa wrote: post #19

Though I'd like to see Oritz fired, and think she's deserving of it, the effort to get her fired is blinding us to a bigger problem and a proper solution. The system was broken long before Oritz and Swartz, but it wasn't until it affected someone we like that we noticed. But we're in a bubble, and the vast majority of Americans do not care who Aaron Swartz is, will not be affected by this tragedy like we were, and in…

He wasn't going to get 30 years. See the other top HN post right now about he could have plea-bargained for 6 months.

He refused to surrender, so it's fair to go nuclear?

Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal

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Post by MartinCron »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #32
olefoo wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the author of the petition; I take responsibility for hitting the submit button, halfway through an edit. Sorry.

I say this only to help in the future: (Life Pro Tip style) Do your writing/editing in a separate app/editor window, and then copy/paste it in. This applies to important emails as well, to prevent hitting send before your final draft is done.

Similarly: I always leave the TO: line empty in emails until I'm sure that the message is done.

Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal

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Post by PrudenceYuris »

agwa wrote: post #19

Though I'd like to see Oritz fired, and think she's deserving of it, the effort to get her fired is blinding us to a bigger problem and a proper solution. The system was broken long before Oritz and Swartz, but it wasn't until it affected someone we like that we noticed. But we're in a bubble, and the vast majority of Americans do not care who Aaron Swartz is, will not be affected by this tragedy like we were, and in…

Crowdsourcing the destruction of the career of an out-of-control prosecutor is a repeatable process, and, as Internet forums gain mass, a process that will get easier to apply.

In other words, this is the public perception of crime on the move. You can see this in other areas of discourse, like cannabis legalization, getting rid of red light cameras that have been shown to increase collisions, etc.

Re: Petition To Fire Aaron Swartz’ Prosecutor Reaches Goal

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Post by throwit1979 »

res0nat0r wrote: post #51
agwa wrote: post #19

Though I'd like to see Oritz fired, and think she's deserving of it, the effort to get her fired is blinding us to a bigger problem and a proper solution. The system was broken long before Oritz and Swartz, but it wasn't until it affected someone we like that we noticed. But we're in a bubble, and the vast majority of Americans do not care who Aaron Swartz is, will not be affected by this tragedy like we were, and in…

He wasn't going to get 30 years. See the other top HN post right now about he could have plea-bargained for 6 months.

Yeah. Extortion is fine as long as the government does it.
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